It's Time to Start Using the Term 'Palestinian Civilian' Correctly
It's Time to Start Using the Term 'Palestinian Civilian' Correctly
As long as the press and world leaders fail to ask these questions, continuing to push unsubstantiated casualty figures, they are empowering Hamas.
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Sure, let's do start using it correctly. I'll go first:
Israel is engaged in mass murder of Palestinian Civilians.
Let me go second.
Hamas uses child soldiers to attack Israel.
Got it, so that makes it alright to kill 30,000 civilians who aren't child soldiers.
I'm glad you reset my moral compass.
How exactly do you fight a terrorist organization who uses children as both soldiers and human shields without any sort of civilian casualties?
You realize this style of warfare that Hamas has chosen is specifically designed to lead to civilian deaths right?
They could all line up on an open area and fight Israel soldier to soldier, but they choose not to.
How exactly do you fight a terrorist organization who uses children as both soldiers and human shields without any sort of civilian casualties?
Probably with more nuance than bombing entire neighborhoods...
Seriously, there is absolutely no possible ethical excuse for what Israel is doing. Right now the IDF is pretty indistinguishable from the SS. Genocide is genocide and Israel has come all the way from victim to perpetrator. The irony and reality of it is making the rest of the world sick, the only question is, why isn't it doing the same to the people of Israel?
See the problem is, you don't know how to do it without injuring civilians, and neither does any other country fighting against terrorists using this style of warfare. The whole playbook for them is to make it impossible to fight without wholesale slaughter. Israel has chosen that option here rather than letting them continue.
They are far from the first country to do so.
The US killed around 50,000 Afghani civilians as direct retaliation for 9/11 in a bomb all the shit campaign against the Taliban. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
The US killed a few hundred thousand civilian Iraqis during that 2003 invasion, and it turns out the entire premise for the invasion was false. Did it make Americans sick enough to stop it?
FFS, the US nuked two Japanese cities.. and the public was totally onboard at the time.
The Japanese have done it themselves to China and Korea. China has done it to a bunch of different minorities now. Clearly the Germans did it. Russia has done it. The British and Spanish have done it.
Civilian populations of the offending country rarely have a problem with it, that hasn't started until very recently in history.
So why would Israelis be sick of killing 30,000 Palestinians in response to an attack that killed over 1000 Israeli Civilians (and where they kidnapped hostages)?
You may not like this answer, but it's still correct.
The only way out is diplomatic. They will not bomb their way to peace
See the problem is, you don't know how to do it without injuring civilians,
Fucking diplomacy.
Israel is being like a five year old... Learn to use your words, you'll get better outcomes.
You don't. There is no path the peace for Israel through genocide.
If there's nobody left to fight you that's technically peace.
Let's say you wiped out all the Palestinians. Do you believe that results in peace? Do you remember what motivated Osama Bin Laden? Do you think the rest of the Arab world would be at peace with Israel?
The rest of the arab world started the fight with Israel. Five countries invaded them the day after the British protectorate left.
So no, there won't be peace. Religion is a hell of a drug.
That's a very one sided view of history. If you can't see that occupied people have legitimate grievances then there's just no point in talking.
Plenty of situations that "could never change" actually did. The past is filled with impossible situations consigned to the dustbin of history.
Most of them moved there during the British occupation, so I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. The Muslim population of the region doubled between the start and end of the 25 years of British Occupation, and that wasn't from just births.
Same with the Jewish population, which tripled over that period.
The "ancestral ties" of both groups are tenuous at best. Yes they were both there before, but most of the people living there have a grandparent or three who were born outside the region.
80% of Hamas has been orphaned by Israel. Israel has destroyed nearly all the schools. Israel has been starving the Gazans for decades
Israel tries Palestinian children in military court for decades, without parental or legal representation.
But sure buddy go off on your propaganda
Are you saying that they are not using child soldiers? It seems to me like you're just making excuses for them using child soldiers.
Of course im justifying their use of child soldiers. What im wondering is how YOU identify a soldier of Hamas vs a citizen of Palestine defending their home from a military invasion. Because last i checked there are no uniform factories in palestine
You identify them through their chain of command. If they are getting weapons and/or instructions from Hamas, they're a soldier.
Do you honestly believe there is an army on this earth capable of tracking the chain of command for every enemy they encounter?
No, I believe that if you have a terrorist hiding in a home with 5 civilians who aren't giving them up or stopping them, you have 6 terrorists. I believe that if some of those are children, then their parents have failed them. They don't deserve to die, but they also don't have a right to complain about getting bombed at that point. Choices were made, and actions have consequences.
If the children's parents were murdered, is it the child's fault or the parents fault? If the murderers are then going around murdering every relative, teacher, doctor and neighbor of the child is it the child's fault still?
Children have no responsibilities for their actions, it's always the parents responsibility until they reach at least their teenage years and often even beyond that based on how the parents have raised them.
How many of the over 10,000 children killed were soldiers?
That's a good question, how many does it take for it to be considered a problem?
I would suggest that the problem is all the non-soldier children getting killed.
I'm not sure why you don't seem to think so.
I'm pretty sure soldier children is ALSO the problem. Or do you believe those children had full consent in that like an adult?
I agree, but I didn't think it was worth arguing that point.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You didn't use "Palestinian" or "civilian" in that sentence. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Religion can fuck right off in this discussion. It's definitely a core reasons this war is happening in the first place.
That movie quote went right over your head.