Khelif and another boxer, featherweight Lin Yu-Ting of Chinese Taipei, have been fighting under a cloud in France after the Algerian’s opening victory over Angela Carini, who quit after 46 seconds.
We should expect Rules and regulations regarding a cis woman. The Olympic committee should either allow them as is or lay out specific rules.
Decisions cannot be adhoc.
Imagine a corrupt state really wants gold. Why wouldn't they register a whole batch of males as female (or duplicate register as both sexes) wait 20 years then clean up the women's events?
so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man.
Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she's so good at flipping.
A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn't genetically selected for and who hasn't trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn't make one good at sports.
On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn't injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal?
Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man.
No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage.
Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage.
On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner,
Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy.
All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal?
The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform.
However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage.
I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners.
No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event.
Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other.
I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif."
It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride.
Except she was born a woman, raised as a girl and is a woman according to her passport from a country where being trans is illegal. So your argument is moot.
This the Olympics. What they do in their country is their problem.
If trans was illegal in that country why would they want to highlight that issue by selecting that athlete. Makes no sense.
I think you might have come full circle here. Being trans is her country is illegal. Why would such a country send a trans athlete? Because she isn't trans.
You aren't talking about trans athletes, you're talking about a woman who won a sport, and was demonized for being trans, and she isn't even trans. The right wing had to make this shit up just so they would have a boogie man to be scared of.
You stated that this person was intersex, and that was a valid reason for her disqualification up and down this thread, before the mods intervened of course.
Continuing to believe in disproven theories, or concepts without imperical evidence, is clearly a logical falicy at best, or you are intentionally spreading misinformation because you are a Russian bot at worst.
Give the above assertions, yes, mental health, intelligence, and a prescription of "touching grass" at a minimum. Are you an athlete? Do you compete at an Olympic level? No? Then how does that impact you in any way shape or form? Did you ever watch the Olympics to have any kind of investment? Honestly that's all a little weird.
There are very simple regulations. You just don't like the regulations. She was identified as biologically female at birth. It says so on her birth certificate. Her passport says she's a woman. Those are the regulations whether you like them or not.
What makes you think these decisions were "ad hoc?"
What do you think ad hoc means? And what part of "we checked out this athelete and she met all of our criteria to compete in womans' boxing" don't you get?
What failing do you think the IOC commited in allowing a cis woman to compete in womens' boxing?
How do you not know that chromosomes don't tell anything near to the whole story? You can be XX and look biologically male your whole life or XY and the opposite.
I hate it when people think something as ridiculously complex as the human genome can be summed up so simply.
Injecting testosterone is considered doping. So whatever their gender is, it's not allowed. This makes trans people by default not eligible, regardless of what gender they're playing as.
Whatever that decision is the Olympic committee should expand rules and regulations to cover edge cases.
Decisions shouldn't be adhoc.
It's not like we didn't know about hunan genetic makeup before this Olympics.
Injecting performance enhancing substances like testosterone is not allowed. So the rule is already there. The reason for injecting them is irrelevant and not part of the rule. If we can simply use a counter argument to nullify a rule that doesn't really make it a rule anymore. We should however add possible edge cases in the future, but that doesn't mean that we should be using opinions in current rulings before finding something that suits everybody.
Keep in mind that I'm not claiming anything about Imane Khelif.
When it's a cis woman you're worried about against other cis women? No? I'm starting to think that we should have civics tests to use the Internet.....
It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports.
The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics.
Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test?
Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they're women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight's genetic criteria?
I'm saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future.
This is the final time I will ask you, because you are now setting off my troll alarm: What should the criteria be? You have a lot of very strong opinions unless anyone challenges them, and then you try to weasel out of it.
You are also very much skirting the trans bigotry line and I'm going to keep letting you do that if you wish to remain here.
Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want.
But hey, you know what's best for women, right? They shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it.