How Much Spying do We as a Society Wish to Allow?

See, if you ever pull the trousers down on people who say that, they suddenly start caring a whole lot about privacy!

May I please hide my sex life from car manufacturers?

Like I get the whole lack of privacy these days but I think most people assume that’s a privacy they have

See, I am of the view that there should be a list of people who have this mentality and their data is updated live and publicly visible to all to see, and I mean EVERYTHING. Of course I'm not calling for someone to just hack systems and publish user data, but instead people get free services when they sign up for to be part of this list.

Then we'll see how many "have nothing to hide"

Damn, oh well🤷🏿

That would be amazing. I also think that everything and everyone one in any level of government should let their actions, money, etc. be open source and viewable to everyone.

They are. In this case their view is that they'd rather your car be able to receive security updates via ota than be subject to hacking by Blackhats unknown. And as a result they aren't necessarily going to go back on that because the automaker is selling your data. What we need are data privacy laws. But security laws are already in place in a lot of cases.

Which would make money launders and scammers very happy

its not that ur opinion is unpopular but its about as good as saying communism is good. which is to say it is good on paper but it wouldn't work in practice due to people being people

You're welcome! I'm glad to hear that people care!

citizenship status, immigration status, national origin

How?

If I were to wager a guess; extrapolation. If say you live in Sweden, frequently visit the tax agency or social services, has the surname Alreihan, and frequent places like adult schools, mosques, and immigrant stores, chances are you're not an average Svensson. Most personal data is public records here in Sweden so it's quite easy to find out anyway.

religious or philosophical beliefs

So it actively listens in case someone says out loud they’re a communist? Because I’m damn sure that “philosophical beliefs” isn’t part of a purchase order.

I wouldn't put it past them to actively listen in on people. They help themselves to your geolocation too though, so if you say, drive to a protestant church with any sort of frequency, chances are you're a protestant. If they know your age and your income bracket, they might also just assign a profile to you. "This person is a WASP so they are likely conservative."

Genetic information. Amazing. I guarantee this means, in part, that they’re literally measuring your dick with their cameras, because it’s not asking for a blood test to start your car.

Yet, hah!

I don't know about Android, but Apple is really big on health guffins. So if you have an Apple Watch and use the Health app to record and track your data (it can record a lot, though they don't ask for dick size) then it's not completely outlandish that the car might request that data from your phone should you hook it up.

Though, it might just be something that the car manufacturer app asks for, because I'm unsure if Car Play can just pull health data like that. Third party apps can absolutely request access to your health data, so if you have a Tesla and use the Tesla app, they can totally request health data permissions and add that to your profile.

How?

If you live in the US, most likely data brokers.

Really seedy industry centered around buying and selling your personal information, compiling public records from government sites to build a profile of your location, previous addresses, jobs, biological sex, given sex, phone numbers etc, and then cross referencing that with online data from ad trackers and targeting to build a more detailed profile of who exactly you are specifically.

This stuff doesn't even scratch the surface too.

US law enforcement has also been openly using data brokers to bypass certain privacy protections/rights granted to people who live in the US, where things like a warrant or subpoena would usually be necessary

citizenship status, immigration status, national origin

How?

• I don't know how but they obviously know a way. There are so many ways for your life to be pieced together by many algorithms online all collecting bits of data that are then sold to create effectively, you.

So it actively listens in case someone says out loud they're a communist?

• If there are microphones in the car then I absolutely believe it will listen to you. Many companies and apps do this already. Think of a time when you mentioned something and now you get an ad for it. And you're right, that shouldn't be part of your purchase order.

Soon AI will be watching my skin over time so my insurance can deny claims

• China already does this with a social credit system. I wouldn't put it passed any other governments that already show similar tendenancies.

I guarantee this means, in part, that they're literally measuring your dick

• Telsa is in a lawsuit currently for employees looking at nude videos among other things from peoples car's cameras

If someone hides what they're "monitoring", and what theyre doing with it, from you in vague definitions and legalese ToS, it's still spying.

You hire a security guard to monitor your street and he has his binoculars pointed at bedroom windows most of the night, which one is that? Those windows ARE on the street to monitor.