They could have done the return with Snoke. But noo, we need to fuck up the long established canon by adding in old characters. We can't explain how they survived so let's say "somehow they did".
I didn't mind the idea of Snoke. A power vacuum means someone else moves in. He didn't even have to be the rumored Plagueis, just someone connected or whatever. Create a new lore that makes sense.
But then he just died. Not even in a fight, but through arrogant ignorance. He could see Kylo's thoughts before, but somehow missed that he was being played? Stupid writing. I'm actually still a fan of TFA, and will defend what it was trying to do, but the other two movies can rot.
I maintain that killing Snoke as a red herring could be fine, too. I find a tragically irredeemable Kylo Ren to be much more interesting than tall skinny emperor anyway. But even if one didn't like TLJ, TROS was almost the worst possible way to follow it up. It satisfied no one.
Extended universes always have some really bizzare power creep / weird situations happening. The authors need to one up each other and think of stupider stuff with every book.
Did they not show a cloning facility that was constructing bodies for him? And have we not seen that force users consciousness survive after death? And wasn’t there a whole setup for his consciousness to be transferred into a new body through some dark side ritual? It wasn’t a great explanation but it was sufficient. I’m confused about why people think this was entirely left out. That one line of dialogue is bad but just because those characters don't have an explanation doesn’t mean we as the audience do not. We do!
The "somehow he returned" betrays bad writing. Palpatine returning invalidates movies 1 - 6, Anakin's redemption, Luke's journey. It invalidates "I am your father" completely because who cares that Vader is his father when ultimately he does jack shit by sacrificing himself to kill one of many Palpatine's bodies. Suddenly the story stops being Anakin is the chosen one, it starts being "let's do this again ahyuk"
Actually in the firstsecond wave of comics, Luke joins the dark side to locate and raze Palpatine's cloning factory. There's a deeply meaningful scene where Han and Leia retrieve him and have to convince him that he's redeemable after everything he did to fit in.
That was the second wave of comics. The first ones were the ones Marvel put out while the OT was still being made and which continued for a few years after RotJ.
That's the point. It took their victory away from them, and would keep doing so.
The movies fell flat so hard because they didn't use it as a vehicle to explore anything, characterwise or emotionally. They missed the point and turned it into a plot speed bump.
He was also impaled by a lightsaber and his lifelong friend Chewy fought to the death immediately afterwards but its all a moot point since Ford hated playing him anyways.
They really fucked up their villains. Snoke needed to be more then just some guy. Phasma could have been a great side villian and gave Finn something to do. Huxley was incredibly portrayed and really came off as a threat before they made him into a clown and killed him off just like they did Phasma.
A b plot where the villains have a Game of Thrones style intrigue going on would have been rad.
I remember little about the prequels but for some reason I remember Darth Grevious dying by slipping on a banana peel. Consistant line of cool villains dying in stupid ways in star wars post 80s. Boba Fetts demise was silly I guess.