Xi and Mao replace Jesus and Mary in Chinese churches
Xi and Mao replace Jesus and Mary in Chinese churches
Christians face harassment and disruption in Beijing crackdown on religion, US government agency reports
cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/44150479
In their effort to “exert total control” over religion and to “sinicise” Catholic and Protestant Christianity, the authorities have “ordered the removal of crosses from churches [and] replaced images of Jesus Christ or the Virgin Mary with pictures of President Xi Jinping,” the report said.
The report concluded that “every facet of religious life for Buddhists, Catholics and Protestant Christians, Muslims, and Taoists” was facing pressure to incorporate CCP ideology, and religious elements considered contradictory to the state’s political agenda were being eradicated.
In the Torah and Old Testament this is exactly why God forbade having idols, those can be replaced. Changing pictures of Jesus and Mary is for the Catholic Churches since Protestants don’t use idols. Protestant and Catholic Churches are to remove crosses (“for safety reasons”). These churches will just replace those images with something else (maybe the Ichthus <>< or IHS/Chi-Rho ☧) to represent a meeting place, there are many Christians symbols to choose from, and new ones will be made as necessary.
This has happened in the past in other areas and it never stops them. The message of an outside forgiver who is immortal and died so that they can be forgiven is too strong to quash. Of course the Chinese government takes issue with that. It takes power away from them. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Maybe Xi is coming to gripes with his own mortality as he ages and is trying to solidify his/his party’s rule?
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world what’s your take on this?
Apart from being highly amused? I don't think it will fully work. And it's not even just the forgiver part. It's the eternal afterlife in heaven part. Because if the choice is "obey Xi on Earth by no longer venerating Christ" or "spend an eternity in heaven," and I believed in all this stuff, I'd sure pick heaven and just worship in secret.
I will say that it does kind of stop people though... in the sense that eventually their beliefs get diluted into a sort of merging of belief systems. Judaism and Christianity themselves are examples of this, but more recent ones would be the various New World iindigenous groups that merge their Pre-Columbian religion with Christianity or Crypto-Jews in the Southwestern U.S., the result of Spanish Jews converting to Christianity to avoid expulsion from Spanish lands.
So maybe what will end up happening is a sort of new form of Chinese Christianity where Mao is venerated as a saint or a prophet, but Jesus will very unlikely be usurped from the top of the worship chain... but right now, they aren't actually offering anything in return for that veneration even close to what Jesus offers believers.
Pictures of Jesus and Mary aren't (supposed to be) idols
Idol: an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
I agree that they probably weren’t intended to be idols, but pictures of Jesus, Mary, the cross, etc are just objects of worship.
Jesus’s message of universal love goes beyond the Christian religion, which feels like it only exists to promote itself instead of the values that Christ promoted.
If Jesus were alive today I doubt he would care about the destruction of religious symbols. He’d probably say something like “Why are you concerned with a symbol when you have brothers and sisters who need help? If you really want to exalt God, go out and do His work.”
Like, if people truly believe God is the alpha and omega do they really think they need to get offended on his behalf?
Christianity has done a great job of putting God in a tiny box called “religion” and taking away all his power to the point where dinosaurs, evolution, and science are able to shake their faith.
God/love/the universe is nonsense, and we get to spend our whole lives trying to figure that nonsense out.
Isn't Jesus like the President of the Universe? I'm almost convinced that JTown outranks him.
HEs before Xis and all that
Sure, and the Holy Spirit is the universal Secretary of Defense, but they’re both also the President.
I’m pretty sure Jesus was opposed to the idea of nations, geopolitical boundaries, and political authority in general. So idk if he’d accept a title like “president”.
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Mk 12:17
That's the classic cliché of him being good for that role because he didn't want it.
Again? Took them long enough
I wonder what story the shills will spin:
- "All Chinese acshually wanted pictures of Xi and Mao but the Christian church forbade it, so this is acshually freedom"
- "They weren't really Christian to begin with"
- "There are no Christian churches because if you search for them on WeChat there are none"
- "Only 'idols' are ordered to be removed. But Xi and Mao are not really idols like Jesus and the virgin Mary. They are very different and are a totally different culture. They are supreme leaders. Everybody has pictures of them in their home but it is not a religion."
complaining about “shills”
while completely genuinely and unironically, with 100% belief, shills US state dept propaganda
Must be hard putting on all that clown makeup every day.
Try harder shill
That is a really weird thing to do
Xi doing what the Taiping rebellion couldn't.
The circle is now complete.
I wonder if that's local churches trying to adapt to weird policies by lazily masking their beliefs.
No, it's forced on them
Um, dupe: https://lemmy.world/post/20550123