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The moment you understand that MAGA is the party of hate is the moment you understand this election. It explains both Islamic and Latino support for Republicans. They were betrayed by Democrats, and are willing to let the rest of us hang for it. I hope selling out for the center Republicans was worth destroying the demographic coalition.
My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we're doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I'm still voting for Kamala but man that was a hard conversation I never would have expected. Seems like the military owns everything these days
Oof, that must be a weird conversation. Am Indonesian.
Any conversation touching Islam adjacent lost any nuance with the general population more often than not . Not saying your wife is one, but let's be honest the education quality here is abysmal and at the same time we're number 1 muslim by population. Also our "Netizen" is notorious for wrongly attacking any issue they misunderstood.
One of our top singer got berated nationwide because she wore a skirt with a random arabic text in it, people thought it was a Holy script and she's Christian.
I kid you not one election season I saw an angry mob with a banner that said USA = COMMUNIST !!
Most have hard enough time just to get by day to day so I get it, they take anything to blame. With corruption top to bottom it's a sad state all around. I'm grateful it's still a relatively peaceful affair though, at least here in Java.
She understands that Trump would actively get on the ground and help the IDF out if he could, right?
The hard part is, she gets to pick between genocide, and genocide with fewer rights for women.
I don't understand why she'd pick the latter, but anger does crazy things.
In defense Kamala is actively in power with Biden and has had many chances to voice and make change on this issue and she hasn't. We know what we will get with Kamala, and it's a lot like Biden all over again
We also know what we'd get with Trump. He's pretty forward about wanting Israel to finish the genocide quicker.
Well, seeing a lot of the positives Biden has done, or tried to do but the repubs shut down purely out of spite, I'm still fully voting for Kamala.
It's "I'm fucked" vs "I'm fucked and those that fucked me die too".
My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we're doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I'm still voting for Kamala
Have you considered having solidarity with your wife? Did you convince her to vote Kamala, or is this still a wedge issue? Or are you not even telling her?
Have you considered having solidarity with your wife?
Have you ever considered that people aren't a hive mind?
Your copy/pasted comment is telling people to defeat MAGA with socialism. But first let's get it to hard mode by having MAGAs take over and do Project 2025, right?
A Socialist revolution is "hard mode" whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge, I don't know where you're getting the idea that the establishment parties would be any friendlier or more hostile to a literal revolution.
I also don't know why you're saying I am suggesting voting for Trump either, not once have I encouraged it.
Only one of two people will win. You're asking this person if they considered voting against the less awful choice.
I'm sure we're both pissed off about how protesters are treated right now. Only one of two parties is saying we need National Guard, deport the protesters, that presidents can execute whomever as an Official Act, that the military should be used against the opposition over speech.
Yeah, so go with your "nach Trump kommen Wir" plan, it will be equally hard to achieve socialism either way, NBD. Not sure why it isn't, "equally hard either way so let's pick the ones at least pretending women and LGBT people should have human rights," but you do you.
I am asking people to listen to directly and indirectly impacted people, rather than thinking they are more "enlightened" than them for voting for the genocidal establishment. Additionally, both parties have been cracking down on pro-Palestinian protestors, Walz even sent in the National Guard after BLM protestors, that's not a real point.
No, you are deliberately picking which impacted people you want to hear the voices of. Not these ones, huh?
Thats how this is supposed to work. A collective of different perspectives all place votes for their and their families/communities best interest.
Democrats are really struggling to accept that half the country isnt better off under their administrations.
Are Dems improving things, or improving them fast enough? No. But I think the reality of today is that the only ones not better off under a Dem administration are wealthy people and bigots who want society to be a white supremacist hierarchy. I'm not saying people are well off, I am saying the alternative is worse, and by a lot.
If it were not possible to win an election as a MAGA the political parties would have to move further left. Instead we have Dems looking back on elections and deciding to move further right in attempt to pick up voters who actually cast a ballot.
If it were not possible to win an election as a MAGA the political parties would have to move further left.
This will never happen, because the source of MAGA is Capitalist decay, as I explained in another comment already.
99% of the population is worse off under their competition, so there's still not really much of a choice.
The Uncommitted movement didn't say to vote for Harris. And yes, Walz sending in the National Guard against BLM protestors is a bad thing.
You can read the article if you like. Or continue to participate in a distorted reality.
I disagree that arsonists were actually with the protesters. You have a really delusional perspective that allows you to pretend sending in the guard at all is the same as black vans. Or this. Or this.
Alright, link me to some of the worst of the Dem federal response to protests about Gaza. I'm ready to be wrong.
Yes, the Dems collaborated with the Republicans to crack down on BLM protestors. It wasn't simply Walz acting as a rogue agent, but a collaborative effort.
Very recently, 200 protestors were arrested in New York.
It's gonna get harder. Especially if you guys have kids.
Lmao you are a scum. You'd rather trust the party of genocide than your own wife. How trashy is this.
Leave the poor woman seriously.
No offense.
They're both the party of genocide. No matter what, your next president does genocide. Your vote helps decide which you get to protest under.
And you'd at least get to protest under Harris. Trump openly wants to go Tiananmen Square on you if you protest.
The rest of the world is looking at the US with contempt right now. Far-right germany, britains and the aussies are the only allies you have left. Fuck you.
But you won't. Nobody's accountable. Nobody was accountable for iraq. Nobody was accountable for lybia. Your country lies and lies and you're too cowardy to face the criminals unless they are poor ghettos black people. They can create war out of lies and destroy countless lives, not only are they free but they get media attention to endorse whichever warcrimers gonna suck dicks next.
You make me sick.
So you're saying Americans should those up against the two party system. So, a revolution. Overthrow the system. Which means killing each other. And oddly, every violent revolution ever has ended up with a more authoritarian result.
So your plan to reduce the killing in Palestine is... More killing in the US followed by a US regime that would help Israel finish the job faster?
Historically, revolution has resulted in more democratization and less "authoritarianism." From the brutal Tsarist Regime in Russia, to the fascist slaver Batista regime in Cuba, to the nationalist Kuomintang regime in China, revolution reduced inequality and gave more power to the people compared to their absolute squalor before.
Read Blackshirts and Reds.
Not a yank. Don't care. Too late anyway the damage is done I hope you guys pays for the support for genocide.
Trump is coming for your country next.
It's the dixiecrats after we took the one thing they loved: Jim Crow and their ability to be superior to anyone who isn't white.
We even dared to elect a black person president over them, they will NEVER forgive us for that, it went against everything they believe in.
You don't understand, to them this is justice for our unimaginable crimes against them, we took the only thing they had in life.
And that's how the orange turd built a cult...but constantly whining and complaining when Obama was elected. 8 years of slowly stroking the flames, birther crap, pointing out every single minor inconvenience and a failure of the president.
Would be kinda funny to double down and elect a black woman next. Bet they would just love that.
You don't understand them.
He was a MAN, he counted, well, when they didn't call him a monkey.
A woman can be dismissed, anything she does will be considered impotent and meaningless, it doesn't matter.
The south has its own logic, you can't understand without going back 200 years in time.
Wait, isn't she Indian? Did she just BECOME black?
/s
God I hope we get there...
Yes that explains the South and the Aryan Nations in the NW. They were a given in this scenario. I have plenty of experience and a little too much understanding of both.
Party of Hate. For them it's racial, religious, and cultural.