Trump says Liz Cheney should be 'shot in face' by 9 guns
Trump says Liz Cheney should be 'shot in face' by 9 guns
Donald Trump has caused controversy by suggesting Liz Cheney should have 'guns trained on her face' in an alarming firing squad fantasy.
At what point can the Justice Department start considering his statements as threats or incitement of violence? (Not that Garland would ever have the stones to do anything about it this close to the election)
Or, you know, Republican party leadership could grow a spine and condemn this language at the very least, if not pull their support from Trump. These kinds of things would have been disqualifying for any other candidate.
Why we have to just put up with this nonsense is beyond me.
I agree entirely with the sentiment and rationale. I patiently remind you it doesn't matter since his SCOTUS appointments effectively negated 1/3 of our government, thus guaranteeing region destabilization for the next 20 years. Just like the foreign powers that empowered him intended.
I remember when a guy got so excited his voice cracked on a stage at a rally and that torpedoed his whole political career
Now we have this gestures in bullshit
I remember the data on that was some hundreds of airing of a sound-edited clip, and one 30 second admission of fault was played. Manipulation.
(Not that Garland would ever have the stones to do anything about it
this close to the electionever)The DoJ will get involved if the perpetrator does not have a following of millions of rabid cultists and is poor.
It's not even been a full 24 hours since I saw the Onion video on a Trump campaign ad about killing people he doesn't like, yet here we are. I hate this reality.
How's that not advocating for violence going?
Cheney isn't a name I want to hear in politics. Ever.
I feel the same way about the name Trump.
That website is very unreputable and goes way over the top in attacking Trump. I read the linked articles and watched the relevant videos, and here's what I found:
- garbage truck incident - he didn't "almost fall over," he just missed the handle on the first grab, that's it, it's a nothing-burger
- Dems want to get rid of windows and cows - couldn't find the relevant video, and the only one with this quote linked to the above site; at a separate rally, he claims Harris wants to get rid of red meat, so I guess that kind of explains the cows thing? I need to see the clip before I take a call here
The context of the Liz Cheney quote was about her being a "war hawk" and wanting to stay in Iraq longer. Basically, he ranted about bureaucrats acting all tough because they want to go to war, but they would act very differently if they were the ones in a warzone. So the "guns trained on her face" would presumably be a firing line (i.e. if she's captured as POW and executed, or tried and executed for war crimes), and his point was that she doesn't consider the consequences for wanting to go to war in the Middle East.
That said, screw Trump. I have never voted for him, and I have already submitted my ballot this year and again did not vote for that clown. But this website has terrible spin and you shouldn't trust anything it says because it takes things way out of proportion and doesn't even link/host the original content. Look for yourselves, the actual content is taken way out of context here.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html
Your thinking is that Trump doesn't like war hawks? As opposed to him being upset that Liz Cheney defied him?
“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?” the former president said at a campaign event in Glendale with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. “Let’s see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
That's pretty straightforward, to me. I think CNN is sanewashing it and the more hyperbolic response is actually the right one, in this case. It's nuts that a lot of the media seems to think this is perfectly normal stuff to say.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/15/trump-democrats-cows-windows
That's for the cows and windows quotes.
But this website has terrible spin and you shouldn’t trust anything it says because it takes things way out of proportion and doesn’t even link/host the original content. Look for yourselves, the actual content is taken way out of context here.
I don't think it is. I think this extremist website is keeping in mind the very clear context of what Trump has said he wants to do, as opposed to adding in a big helping of assuming he can't possibly mean that, and must mean something more benign, instead.
I have no idea if this web site is a trustworthy source in general. But, this seems like a pretty solid and sound way to respond, and the calm benefit-of-the-doubt way is the nutty response.
Your thinking is that Trump doesn’t like war hawks?
I honestly don't know what Trump's views on war and war hawks are (seems generally opposed?), and it's certainly clear he's jumping on something to win some political points for his base.
I'm not making a statement on what Trump's views are, my argument is that this news source is terrible because it takes things way out of context, and if you actually look at the context, there's no threat there, just a statement about armchair generals. That's it, instead of a "round up the dems and shoot them," it's "Liz Cheney would act differently if she was the one fighting."
the more hyperbolic response is actually the right one
It's absolutely not. He's not saying Cheney should be shot like the title here says, nor is he insinuating that anyone should shoot her. He actually paints her as incompetent (said she lost her Senate bid "by the biggest margin in history" or something) and therefore not a threat. His statement isn't a call to action, but a thought experiment of what she would do if she had to be personally involved in the actual fighting (i.e. either she's fighting, or being held accountable for choices on the ground).
If you watch the actual source video, I think you'll agree. That said, I don't recommend actually watching it, it's about 5-10 min of him rambling about Dick Cheney, Bush, and the Iraq War, and the actual bits about Liz are probably 1-2 min on both ends of that ramble fest.
That’s for the cows and windows quotes.
Yes, but I'm still missing context. I'd prefer a link to the actual speech with a rough idea of where in the speech he says that. Because if the other two things the OOP states are completely misleading (Trump "nearly falling" when opening truck door, and this statement about Cheney), I want a bit more than "this other publication has a paragraph or two about it as well."
The spin this election is absolutely insane. The left is trying to paint the right as fascists, and the right is trying to paint the left as communists, yet both completely miss the more important negative aspects of the other's campaign (i.e. Trump's tariffs and border policy, and Harris' "anti-price gouging" will likely wreck our economy).
So I'm extra careful about bandwagoning, especially this close to the election.
this extremist website is keeping in mind the very clear context of what Trump has said he wants to do
But Trump made no statements about what he wants to do, other than stay out of the middle east. He basically painted Cheney as incompetent and a liability for Harris' campaign, and most of his rambling was about foreign policy in the middle east, not about Cheney.
I don't think it's solid or sound, it's peppered with holes that won't pass even a tiny bit of scrutiny. It's basically propaganda, similar to the sort that Trump is using this election against Harris. It's not journalism, it's just political BS.
In regards to the windows.
I appreciate you. It's so frustrating to see how easily EVERYONE falls for misinformation.
Nine guns? Why not ten? Or eight?
You really only need one if you're shooting them in the face, but I've likely already given this much more thought than Trump did.
Swing states : we just can't choose. he said that, but on the other hand, Kamala... well...
He said it in a stupid way but what he said was "She's a war hawk, lets see how she likes having guns pointed at her". Which could be a critique of someone advocating war when they will never face combat themselves. Not that I think anything that comes out of that piece of shit is sincere but of all the shit he's said and done this isn't really the one to go after him for IMO.
Exactly. Go after him for his terrible policies, Hitler quotes, and things he did in his first term, there's plenty of material there, no need to spin random crap.
A broken clock is right twice a day I guess.
Well since Bisen said Trump supporters are trash, I think we can call it even.
Wait, even the bison hate Trump supporters?
They give bullshit a bad name
Why 9 specifically? Thats what i want to know. Why not 8 or 7? 7 makes more sense because 7 eats 9