GoFundMe races to remove fundraising pages supporting Luigi Mangione
GoFundMe races to remove fundraising pages supporting Luigi Mangione
GoFundMe pages are the latest example of support for Luigi Mangione, and the public's frustration with the health insurance industry.
"We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn't just about one individual—it's about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness," read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
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During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we're just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people's online activities won't make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
OR...they raise premiums to pay for more security.
I mean, I'm sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He's only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it's only amounted to security theater. I'm sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.
Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.
Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.
then I’ll just read books and shit.
That's how I use the toilet!
Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn't really like it.
It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.
That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.
IMO -- you can't go wrong picking something obscure, or something you just llthink sounds cool, or anything for whatever reason. If it doesn't work out, switching isn't a big deal, unless you plan on cultivating a following. I'm ok with nuking my profiles and starting fresh. I chose my instance because I thought the name sounded cool. I haven't been disappointed. I still regularly hear from a bunch of instances .world, .ml, dbzero, or whatever.
I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a "diversity of tactics" one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.
We very much support deny, delay depose policy
Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?
Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.
Telling people that jury nullification exists isn't a problem, I've done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.
Attention all Luigi supporters!
Lemmy.world's policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi's imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.
That's some old bullshit
Pretty sure it's a by-server or by-community basis, but I've seen nothing but support for him on here
There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.
They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.
Fever has died down too.
He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don't buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger
I've seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.
I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said "Won't someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!"
You guys use MSN?
Lol, I had a website I must use to do some adult bullshit today, and it would not work with my normal browser security policies. So I used a completely blank browser with no privacy settings just to do this one thing. I opened up a basic chrome window and was greeted with a bunch of ads. The one at the top was apparently trying to make Husk more relatable to the pheasants.
Elon Musk's Ex-Wife Says He Forgot To Buy Her A Christmas Gift - But When He Realized, He Walked Barefoot In A Snowstorm To Find Flowers
Benzinga
This is how I imagine most people engage with MSN style garbage.
I mean that’s literally a call to violence. Fuck Reddit but this is not an example of them being terrible. You’re straight up asking for bans with that kind of comment.
Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.
Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.
Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.
Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.
I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don't like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.
Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.
I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and "corporate-friendly" like wtf? Even I've got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I've almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it's going to get me banned. But atleast I'd be able to say what I want. Even then, I'm just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.
Lemmy world isn’t a government and you don’t want completely unrestricted speech on forums dude.
Maybe you don't, but I do...
CP is speech. You want CP?
You didn’t say “I’m glad he’s dead.” You called Luigi a hero and called for other heroes to go kill more people. That’s very different.
Yup, here's hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.
You’re missing the point. You were incredulous at being banned. I explained why. Now you’re saying “yes I did that.” So that’s why you were banned. Advocating for violence/murder.
Do you get it?
Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.
My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.
If the instance admin is smart they’ll ban you before the feds knock on their door
Well, that's a real bummer. Not like I'm saying I want to do it personally. Bit too old for revolution. Haha. I am absolutely cheering it on from the sidelines though. Go Luigi #1!
I think what a lot of people on Lemmy and the broader Fediverse don’t seem to appreciate is that instance Admins can be held liable for the contents of their instances. The obvious example is CP, but it extends well beyond that, so when we go on these boards and start saying things that will get the attention of government authorities, we are actually putting instance Admins in a very difficult and unenviable position because we want to chest pound and sound tough. If what you were doing could somehow drive change or whatever I would be more supportive of it potentially. But ultimately this is just tough guy shit on the Internet, and I don’t think it’s fair for the admins to have to face serious repercussions over it (almost all of which are spending their money to make this happen).
The only instances that are truly “free speech” platforms are either actually not truly free speech platforms where all is allowed OR they are just counting down the days until they have to stop or are otherwise shutdown.
On tiktok youre a real motherf🐈er lmao
Billionaires deserve to live in fear.
"In fear" are the key words here.
If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I'd be scared shitless.
Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.
I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.
Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.
Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.
All the more reason to make them poor.
It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.
Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!
No they don't.
Deserve to live I mean.
I will not elaborate further.
Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.
The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
I don't expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs
I actually don't expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:
Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they'll all hope this was a one-off. It won't be. Sure, there probably won't be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.
Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular
All in all, I think we're heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we'll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.
Anyway, that's my theory. Maybe I'm wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don't think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.
That'd still be helpful, last time they gave us "Just enough to put down the pitchforks."
That was the "New Deal"
Like that's ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that'll do anything for money.
It's a real shame they all end up in congress too.
One ended up working on a McDonalds. Fucking traitor
They get put there don't just end in a position of power
Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?
More like how FDR used the banks' need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.
The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?
Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we're dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?
I'm refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.
The fact that we're in the shitter because the change didn't stick kinda proves my point.
Well, A) the point isn't that, "fan service," created this change. It's that people's willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I'm not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn't count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.
Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.