Left Vs. Right is old and busted
Poor Vs. Rich is new hotness
This is not about class solidarity. If he's right (as in correct) he's right. To deny that because we don't agree on eventing is stupid
Especially given that he wasn't poor
The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.
I'd argue that, among the working class, the right wing of the political spectrum represents either the expectation/ambition to gain much more than others, or distrust of the left, commonly driven by following capitalist BS or having certain reservations or misunderstandings.
Love it or hate it, political ideologies exist, and they exist on some spectrum
Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the "woke" activists he used to attack.
Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared
It's not even the majority position
What you call the "woke mind virus" cares about one thing only: equality
The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal
- Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
Which is not exactly why we should remain in solidarity with those who started figuring something out, not alienate them based on past views.
Give him a bit of time, he already started looking through some of the BS.
Actions speak louder than words.
Dude disappeared for months and had expressed interest in dabbling with psychedelics. He could have easily met people and changed his political compass in that time. He could have completely changed his personality from doing psychedelics. It's possible that he has a psychological disorder that nobody knew about and he stopped taking meds for. Could be a bad combination of bipolar disorder and psychedelics.
Are psychadelics really THAT powerful?
we're all communists after all.
Any proof that he is right winger, that's not made by some fundamentalist?
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology...
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology…
Man, I miss technology being left-wing.
I wouldn't say "right-winger" - he was apparently a "rationalist" aka gray tribe, a loose philosophy that places rational thinking above ideologies.
They are very right wing lol
I read he complained about "woke" a lot.
He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.
I don't know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn't seem very Right Wing thing to do
In American politics left and right have no meaning anyway
Personally, idgaf what his alignment was, I know his action’s alignment was chaotic good.
He rolled 20 on ambush
Luigi Mangione is the median American voter
They’re confused because they still believe the dominant divide in US politics is liberalism v conservatism. It’s not, and it hasn’t been for some time. Increasingly, even if they lack the exact language to explain it, voters do not identify foremost as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or traditionalists, or even left or right. They identify as pro-system or anti-system.
See the problem for them is, this isn't a political issue, this wasn't about some political rhetoric attacking some mysterious foe, this was a human struggling to relieve their pain because of a corrupt system designed to squeeze every last penny from its victims.
You can't pit us against each other over this, you can't create boogeymen over this, because you are the boogeyman this time, but we're not afraid of you anymore, we know how to scare the boogeyman now.
Luigi was loaded, he probably could have easily paid off all his own medical bills without insurance. Luigi's dad is the current head of Mangione Family Enterprises.
I think he did it because he thought he could get away with it, and maybe he will.
I think that the left/ right spectrum is outdated, or at least the definitions we give to each.
I mean, originally the left/ right divide was about whether to keep King Louis XVI around or to have him beheaded.
The spectrum we know as a communism vs capitalism scale really was useful in the cold war when those were the two sides of a bipolar world. When we still use this as the measuring stick, things become super confusing in the 21st century. Our world is no longer a communist vs capitalist struggle. Russia and China aren't communist like the Soviet Union. The United States isn't the same democratic state that it was in 1960.
I don't know what our new spectrum is, that's going to be the research of the next great political scientist, but I do think the old tools we've used are no longer helpful. Some are saying "woke vs unwoke", some are saying "populism vs. globalism", and some are saying simply "chaos vs order". Perhaps it's a little bit of all, or perhaps we should throw spectrums out altogether. Either way, if we use old tools for modern problems, we will end up confused. It's like how jazz is seen as a super complex genre- it may simply be because we still use the music theory of 18th century European composers to try and understand Miles Davis. Of course it's going to be a wild ride.
On the other hand, if we continuously move goalposts, we risk changing definitions so much that being anti-slavery would be "explicitly left", and as most people tend to stick close to "center", whatever it could be, this can really change the political landscape.
The sooner we realize the "left vs right" battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we're much stronger together.
Unless you're a Nazi, then you can get fucked.
Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.
No, police arrest and kill rich black people in the US too.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 (Pelosi defends lawmaker stock trades, citing ‘free market’)
Our political "left," ladies and germs.
But how will red Fascists justify their governments if they can't claim the people wanting freedom are evil?
What of course doesn't disagree any bit to what you said. But expect some coordinated and well founded opposition every time you try to claim "left" and "right" are bullshit.
That's true, but the opposition has shown their strategy already: to redirect public unrest towards marginalized groups and social policies, and away from the bourgeoisie. The result is right-leaning people getting captured in a funnel that starts with "society is too woke" and ends in full blown fascism.
So how do we counter it? By maintaining a grassroots effort to bring people out of that funnel by showing worker solidarity and uniting against the ruling class.
If you push someone away because they voted for the wrong candidate or don't agree with you on some social cause, some fascist talking head on YouTube will be right there to swoop them up.
I don't care if luigi is a martian, he's a hero in my book
Exactly, this isn't about left vs right. He could've been a flat earther and the rest of his actions would still be valid.
And the landscape of US politics is so fucked at this point that which "side" somebody is allegedly on based on donkeys and elephants, or whose podcasts they listen to, or who they retweet is really only an entertaining starting point to determining what the hell their views actually are.
I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics -- possibly with a little bit of rephrasing of things, and after you punched through the layer of bullshit, lies, racism, identity politics, and incessant fearmongering over non-issues that the GOP slathers all over everything they say nowadays.
Liberals and conservatives generally actually agree on these two core concepts, vis-a-vis:
- We want the government to provide for us what we think everyone ought to deserve to get, and
- We want it for "free."
I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics
I wouldn't be surprised. USSA, unlike Europe, is politically homogenous. Instead of 100500 different parties it has only right wing and more right wing party.
And there was video demonstrating what you said.
Voting for Kamala Harris to stop Trump: "The Democratic Party didn't provide good enough options!"
Making a class hero out of a spoiled rich kid: "We'll take whatever we can get!"
Taking out the evil CEO of a multi-billion dollar company built to take advantage of people makes him less of a spoiled rich kid than some random cunt getting on the internet and spouting his opinions like anyone gives a shit.
Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.
A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.
Absolutely. I feel empathy for the United CEOs family, while also recognizing they are going to be financially fine. They also have a chance to reflect on any grief and how affected families may not be sympathetic for valid reasons. Whether they do or not depends on whether they value healing, or greed/retribution.
Facts his actions speak louder than his words
actions speak louder than retract, it's not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash
Apparently, the left is only willing to set fire to themselves for "protest," while it's the right-wingers that are actually willing to off capitalist parasites.
The old anarchists must be turning in their graves.
Haven't heard that he's a right-winger, but he is a prep school valedictorian, Ivy League graduate, grandson of a wealthy real estate developer, who did his tech job remotely from Waikiki. Solid working-class stock.
No ear but class war.
