Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves
A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
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at the end of the day Democrats had their check writers to think about which is why they intentionally lost
Harris consistently had wins handed to her on gold platters and Harris repeatedly stuck her nose up at the platters
Democrats are not the party of the people or progressives but just Republicans with different coat colors on getting checks from the same places
Is your username a back-formation of Verdana, the font?
no just verdant
BOOoooOoOoTh SiIIiiiIidEs!!!1
You have two choices for ship's captain.
One wants to paint the interior a color you hate. Like, it's the worst color you've ever seen. And she won't even listen to you about changing it.
The other wants to run the ship into an iceberg.
Hope you brought a life jacket.
That analogy is very flawed and, within the context of Arab voters, crosses the realm of "insensitive" and well into "fucking stupid" territory.
I'll start with the "very flawed" part. Harris didn't promise to "paint the interior an ugly color", she promised to sit and watch while the ship slowly sunk and maybe open a few small holes. She promised stagnation and yet more rightward shifting to people who are being driven closer and closer to poverty every day. Sure, she was better than Trump, but she still had massive policy and attitude flaws that can't be called "painting the interior a bad color".
Now for the "fucking stupid" part: Harris was promising to do exactly the same things Biden was doing in Palestine. She promised that and still expected—or thought she could do without—Arab votes. Votes from people who were losing loved ones and attending funerals because of the policy she completely unapologetically promised to continue. Comparing killing her voters' families to "painting the ship a bad color" is, as I said above, fucking stupid.
That analogy is very flawed
two choices
Nope. Binary race. No other contender has a chance.
promised to sit and watch
Binary race. Pick between the two.
she was better than Trump
Ah! So you get it.
Harris was promising to do exactly the same things Biden was doing in Palestine
Ah! So between the two, neither offers a better plan for meddling in another country's politics. It's a tough thing when neither choice for America happens to support that one other country. It's also then not a discerning factor then, in a binary race, when determining the best of two options.
If you don't choose, you need to accept what comes down to a coin flip.
People were making this argument every day before the election and it didn't work.
Trump was always worse. But Harris still had to win people's votes. If this argument worked we would have had Hilary in 2016.
You need to actually have something to offer beyond the other side being worse.
These people are seriously throwing a tantrum because Arab voters didn't vote for their friends and family to be murdered. This is insane.
Binary race. Pick between the two.
I’m sure that’s what you want, but the Trolley problem actually does offer a third choice. And a significant number of people made that choice, so we could sleep at night. I went to funerals of Gazans killed by Israeli massacres. Do you think I could vote to kill more, based solely on hope against all evidence that it could be better? Harris refused to commit to even lightly pressuring Israel, to recognizing the state of Palestine, to stop blocking votes for Palestinian statehood, to even investigate war crimes. Everyone in north Gaza will be dead before inauguration; that’s on Biden/Harris not Trump. Talking to Palestinians, they saw no difference between Biden and Trump; both armed Israel and blocked each and every UN vote to help Palestinians. Trump cut all refugee aid to Palestinians and Biden continued it. To them, Biden and Trump are just shades apart in terms of actual policy regardless of Trump’s hateful speeches. Biden even fought his own party and majority public opinion to help Israel more and increase weapons shipments without preconditions.
This is what blew my mind. I thought this was all obvious, and that people understood there was simply no pro-Palestine option on the table.
Sometimes the available options aren't what you want, but I also think it better to make non-emotional decisions about candidates where possible.
Turns out a year of nonstop funerals makes it hard to make non-emotional decisions.
Yeah it's not an easy task
You forgot to mention that the current captain is shooting one POC person a day while it heads into an iceberg.
And the first choice for new captain is the current first mate who by all accounts will not change course, and keeps promising to uphold the shoot a POC person a day policy. And you're acting surprised they're not getting popular support from that group.
I'm not surprised. People are pretty stupid, little shocks me these days.
Lol ya, but that's been done on purpose. They've been underfunding public institutions, including education, for decades, and trying to privatize it. They have been making university seem like it's only purpose is as a job-training center instead of also opening your mind and improving critical thinking while making it more expensive. They've been spewing propaganda at us the whole time through billionaire-funded news and media while slowly undercutting public broadcasting. It's all been pretty successful apparently.
You don’t seem to understand WHY the Trolley problem is so difficult. It’s not a simple matter of “one side is quantitatively better” so you pick it. It means you are actively making the choice to harm people even if you think it’s better in the long run. If you don’t see why people found this choice difficult (and it’s universally agreed upon that one choice is better than the other) then you’re blind to the problem and haven’t actually spoken to voters. Talking down to people that they only can make one choice and that they’re stupid for not making it is not helpful and sets you up for failure next time too.
Talking down to people that they only can make one choice and that they’re stupid for not making it is not helpful and sets you up for failure next time too
I frankly don't care anymore. I'm done with trying to talk sense to the senseless. If they want to let the five die and justify it to themselves as some "heroic choice" then fuck 'em.
We feel the same way about you. I went to funerals and know grieving families but that’s less important to people like you, willing to sell out your principles with zero red lines. Blue MAGA is not altogether that different than Trump voters in this regard.
You sold your principles to Trump.
And you sold your principles to a politician.
Trump. Is. A. Politician. 😂
And did I vote for him or endorse him or donate to him or support him? No.
At this point if you really are missing the point that badly I can’t help you. You threw away your principles in an attempt to give democrats a win and have nothing to show for it. Peace.
If I hear this crap one more time I'm going to make the news.
What, you're going to murder someone in an act of pointless violence? Great call.
You already have. Mostly in the "people regret their obviously stupid decision" category.
Maybe you hear it all the time because it's the reality. You can just bury your head in the sand harder I guess, that's an option.
