Is lemmy.ml turn into authoritarian?
Is lemmy.ml turn into authoritarian?
I just realised, I can't post anything on lemmy.ml
So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there's a new moderator.
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In my country we have antifa for antifascists. Are you here some kind of anti-tankies? Because I see far, far more posts about antitankies fighting supposed tankies than I see people fighting fascists.
Tankies wpuld literally support the reincarnation of hitler if he said "america bad" they worship genocidal dictators on the sole grounds they oppose America. They hold literally no leftists values. They just like authority
Thing is, I've never seen a tankie. I've already talked to many fascists here on lemmy though.
Depends on what subs/instances you frequent. Since the reddit migration brought a lot of liberals and centrists to lemmy, many of the tankie types have been drowned out by sheer numbers and have retreated to hexbear and lemmygrad etc.
However, there's also a decent number of fasicsts and neocons who came from reddit and are all over exploding heads, shitjustworks etc
I don't really see those users much because I don't frequent their spaces. I tend to be in more leftist spaces so I see more tankies.
And of course there was that one disastrous week or so where we gave federation with hexbear a chance and they just flung tankie shit everywhere.
Again, that's anti-tankie memes I see every week. Not tankie ones. It's the anti-tankies who are very active, not the tankies.
They're active in comments, but they're also a small minority
Source?
"Believe me, bro"
Source: Hexbear, Lemmygrad and Lemm.ml
In the US, antifa vs. fascists is the actual conflict bubbling up in real life. Only online do people care about tankies. They're a test for moderation and decentralization so people can keep them from being disruptive, not a real concern for freedom of expression. Critical support for Russia's invasion (or disruption of support for Ukraine) is way more likely to come from the alt-right fascists than pseudo-left online tankies.
That's mostly because pseudo intellectual "leftist" tankies are almost exclusively found online. There's no real presence irl
Other than, you know, the millions and millions and millions of them organised in parties throughout the world.
These aren't leftists. They're trolls.
Agreed.
it's probably because most instances have defederated with 'tankie' instances like lemmygrad or hexbear, so all you really see is ragebait screenshots of tankies saying stupid things. although most of these posts seem to be coming from one user
The only posts I see about tankies are from anti-tankies.
Yes, like they say, because the tankie posts are blocked.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
The why is there so much anti-tankie propaganda? Like so much more than antifascist propaganda?
Because liberals sleep in the same bed as fascists and both are ready to fight socialism tooth and nail?
Because like all true "moderates/liberals" they love attacking the left.
Anything that threatens the western hegemony and imperialism must be destroyed because it threatens the comfortable life that the 1st world gets though neo-colonialism which is institutional racism at a international level.
Tankies want to make the first world share their treats with the "unwashed masses" of the third world and pay them a fair rate for their resources and labor.
"The electable left" (aka liberals, democratic voters, etc) are actually crypto-fascists. Fascism doesn't attack the liberals way of life. It isn't a serious threat to their treats so they don't rail against it.
Because people aren't familiar with them and need to be made aware of what they really are. Too many people don't see the damage these trolls cause because they get blocked and only see the complaints and I'm realizing that defederation has worked in their favor. If anyone actually read the shit they post they would realize they are conservatives trying to make the left look like psychopaths. They appropriate LGBT and other social justice causes in order to attempt to infiltrate the left and rot it from within. Also, they use liberal as a slur.
Because Amerika's military budget is as ballooned as it is specifcally to keep their neocolonies (and those they wish they could neocolonize) from revolting and taking up socialist mantles. We wouldn't still be blockading and committing genocide as a result in Cuba otherwise. Liberals don't like hearing their malfeasance; so they at least try to stomp it out everywhere it can be found-- all the anti-'tankie' propaganda you find is evidence of that.
Tankies and fascists are just as bad. What are you trying to suggest?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm pointing out a bias: eventhough fascism is rampant in the west, to the point there was a coop attempt in the US a few years ago. Yet people on lemmy are very hard fighting tankies where ever they can find them, even baiting with anti-tankie memes on a very regular basis.
Tankies are not treated like fascists. There is a war waged against them on lemmy eventhough tankies don't exist in the west.
Tankies don't exist in the west because, as it was said, tankies and fascists are the same kind of extremists, but in the west we have fascists already. You don't have both tankies and fascists in the same place.
So here we are, with western people on the hunt against tankies. To me they are fascists waging a cultural war on social media.
That's because we're on .world and the main tankie instances are blocked. OP is talking about leaks into other instances. It's a bad faith argument. Fuck tankies.
Boo!
Tankies are more of a problem on Lemmy than fascists.
Communists are literally the developers of lemmy
Tankies aren't communists. It's like saying Trump is a LGBT supporter.
They aren't communists. They're tankies.
"Tankie" is just a pejorative that anti-communists use for Marxism-leninists.
The developers of lemmy are Marxist-leninist communists.
Nothing communist about a tankie
Here, let's do a litmus test. Who is to blame for the Ukraine War? Would you decry the US if they falsely claimed to own most of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened civilian ships? If so, would you also decry China for claiming most of the South China Sea, including waters which are literally closer to other countries than to them?
Every communist is not a tankie. A tankie is someone who defends actions by Russia and China, despite decrying the same actions if the US takes it. I really don't see it as an economic thing at all, although that's certainly where the origin of the word comes from. I see it as someone who thinks everything that the US does is bad, and anything US adversaries do is good. It's a lot more geopolitical in my eyes.
Think of it this way, it's the polar opposite of a nationalist far right conservative when it comes to foreign affairs. Tankies are just one cut away from being the same.
Here, let's do a litmus test. Who is to blame for the Ukraine War? Would you decry the US if they falsely claimed to own most of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened civilian ships? If so, would you also decry China for claiming most of the South China Sea, including waters which are literally closer to other countries than to them?
I get that it's a convenient rhetorical technique to try to turn the conversation onto the views common among communists that you find objectionable. I don't agree that it's relevant to the conversation at hand, though.
Every communist is not a tankie.
The thread of "authoritarian" communism that's typically branded as "tankie" runs directly to Marx. I'm interested to know if you're able to find any non-marxist communist tendencies to hold up as an example.
Where are your model communists? Or are you just anti-communist?
Marxist-Leninists aren't communists. They're Stalinists. Authoritarians.
This is Bizarro world vibes based history. Read a fucking book literally any book. Stalin lead the USSR after Lenin lead the revolution founded on the principles of communism which were developed by Marx.
Marxism-leninism was first synthesized by Stalin. Stalinism isn't a thing, but Stalin was a Marxist-leninist. Stalin was a Communist. Marx was an authoritarian communist as well.
"tankie" is just a red-scare pejorative for communists.
And I'm a unicorn. You can call yourself anything you want but it doesn't make it true.
Stalinism is a thing. Just like Leninism, Maoism and Dengism are things. Each of them is just a interpretation of Marxism. They each critique, adapt and expand on the previous iterations of Marxism to fit new conditions.
I don't really agree. Stalin's thoughts can be summed up in his synthesis of Marx and Lenin. There isn't a "Stalinism" separate from Marxism-leninism, but his contribution to MLism was vital.
I also don't really agree that Dengism is a thing. It's a convenient shorthand Maoists use to describe modern China, but I don't think Deng saw his contributions as separate from SWCC.
Also also, I don't think you can fairly characterize modern Maoism as Mao's interpretation of MLism.
All of these are very pedantic, so it's very much ok if we don't agree here! 😁
lol no
"Marxist-Leninist" is enough of a self-own for us, we don't need to invent new terms to insult communists. Real communists are just sad, naive idealists, and we pity them more than anything.
Tankies are a whole separate bag of fucked up. They support Russia, which is clearly not communist. They're really just anti-USA edgelords.
No, they're tankies.
It's a description of morons that think authoritarian rule and/or genocide is ok if the people doing claim to be communists despite having no relation to the ideology. Those people aren't communists, at best they are lying to themselves.
(Yes, I get it. You're a tankie)
Was Marx a tankie?
No, he just failed to account for people. I see this is where the sealioning starts so I'm out. Have fun jerking off to another genocide with your tankie friends.
No, he just failed to account for people.
What do you mean by this?
Marx is more hard-line than Stalin.
If they're both "tankies", then I think we're clear that the term is just base red-scare anti-communism.
Edit: "sealioning is when I have to defend arguments I've repeated but don't actually understand"
I guess you're half a fascist.
oh yeah? Well you're a terrorist, so there, take that!
Tankies ARE fascists! Like all communists.
Historically, who funded fascists and who fought them?
Italian fascists were communists. German fascists were communists.
I have a feeling everyone involved in those equations would disagree.
Yet, but specifying this, you focus the discussion on the flaws of the left, rather than the actual fascists who are training, arming, and preparing coops in the western world, like they did in the US not so long ago.
Yet here we are talking about how communists are also fascists...
Because when the Knight of the Long Knife 2: Electric Boogaloo hits, the people talking about communists being fascists will be marching, arm-in-arm with the actual fascists. It's really a genius con when you stop to think about it, in theory, we'd never see it coming if it wasn't already materially predicted and observed.
They ARE actual fascists, that's the thing.
So Trump is communist? Since when?
Us VS them totalitarian mentality. Doesn't matter how you call these fucks, they all are the same.
Not all fascists are communist, but they say all communists are fascist
What does this even mean LMFAO
They're using "fascist" when they mean "authoritarian" or "totalitarian".
In all fairness, there's very little difference. Communism isn't supposed to be authoritarian, but paint enough murals of someone and see what that does to their ego.
You should read some communist literature before pronouncing about it.
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