Argentina's president bans gender-affirming care for people under age 18
Argentina's president says he has banned gender-affirming care for people under age 18. A presidential spokesperson said Wednesday the government was repealing a 2012 gender identity law provision allowing such practices with parental or guardian consent.
A point some people seem to miss is that this administration is attacking from the bottom. They make it seem like little kids are getting surgeries as soon as they declare they're the opposite gender so no one "reasonable" could be against this ban.
Once this passes and no one objects, and nothing really changes because kids weren't getting surgeries in the first place, they wait a while. Then they'll find some other "issue" and move on to adult trans people.
Not an expert, but isn't the argentinian president an ultra-liberal? (liberal as the world-definition, not the US-definition)
Could this just be to appease Trump?
He ran a campaign claiming to be ancap libertarian and liberal (as you say, the world definition). However, if one listened closely to what he said and paid attention to what he did, as well as look at the local people he rubbed elbows with, one would understand immediately that he's just a right-wing authoritarian populist.
He has met up with the same people behind Trump from the start, and as soon as he took over last year he pulled the same crap Trump is pulling in the US. He only became bolder now that Trump's term began. That's not appeasement, it's knowing he has Trump backing him in case people here become too fed up with him. Though I have to wonder if Trump would even care.
Edit: Some people here are trying to paint trumpism = peronism as to distance Milei from Trump, but it's bullcrap.
Edit 2: Aaaaand now they're coming for adult trans people. Told ya!
Liberal like Libertarian, actually small government, low inflation, leaving people alone, allegedly.
That seems extremely un libertarian of him. Wonder how his supporters will spin it as a positive for libertarians
No it isn't. Children are not considered mature enough to make legal decisions on their own, so the whole libertarian issue doesn't apply to them.
So he's also going to raise the age of consent from 14 to 18?
Right, so it falls to the parents' discretion, not the government's, in such a worldview.
Oh how cute! The fascist North and South America bros are having a genocide contest!
Is this guy just a little ass fly hanging around Trump's crappy nappy or something?
I'm sure this is an important step to get the inflation under control, it will really improve the people's life !
Great use of their time and power.
I really hope this is just to appease Trump and get on his good side and he doesn't actually go and attack trans rights
Except that's not what's happening. They pause puberty with pills so the kid can grow up and make an informed decision after years of therapy. Meanwhile they don't have to worry about their body going the wrong way and contributing to serious mental health problems.
These laws are forcing kids to deal with serious mental illness, not saving them.
In addition to what other commenters have said, the extent of gender affirming care should solely be based on:
By the way, surgeries removing enlarged breast tissue for men with Gynecomastia is gender affirming care. In the article, it says that in the US 25% of patients were 19 or younger at the time of surgery. Should this too be banned for minors? If not, how exactly is it different from a trans teen desiring surgery?
Gender affirming care for minors doesn't mean surgery. I'm not sure if you're under the impression that's what this is banning but if it is, it's wrong.
What this is banning, and what every similar ban is banning is things like puberty blockers which are reversible and are only effective before puberty (obviously). Preventing or delaying puberty is REALLY important because it makes fully transitioning infinitely easier later on as adults.
All bans like this are doing is making the lives of trans people much harder under the guise of "preventing unreversible operations" when that's not even what they're banning.
Sorry, Greg, you're gonna just have to have breasts until you offically turn 18, because people think the goverment need to control children thet hate with no understanding of any detail.
But seriously, I had a cousin who had breast removal surgery when he was like 10-12, because he was a boy and didn't want to grow breasts, and he had the surgery so early in the process he was never in a position to be made fun of or bullied over it.
Just FYI, most "gender-affirming surgery" in the below 18 group is males having their moobs removed because male boobs are usually a source of social problems like being bullied in school. This will mostly affect straight young cis men if we're going purely by the numbers.
So like, be as bigoted as you want, but don't pretend to be informed on the subject just because you feel like jumping on the right wing bandwagon.
We let children have medical care
Gender affirming care is medical care
But where do you draw the line of gender affirming care?
Is giving a teenage boy a bigger dick gender affirming care, and therefore essential medical care? What about a girl who's flat chested wanting bigger boobs? I know it's weird to ask and I do feel kinda gross but yeah. Is that too far? What about an athlete who wants to take steroids cause it would help them achieve their ideal body?
I'm genuinely not trying to be rude. I just, if you give the life altering drugs to one group of kids, where do you draw the line? What about kids who clearly need to hit a joint and chill but it's illegal cause they're underage? I don't think it's fair to give one group more privileges regardless of how they feel.
Your argument fails to take into account that any person seeking to change their gender will not get any gender afferming treatment from medical professionsals, without a lot of therapy, psychological, and medical assessment. These kids don't just go up to their parents and say "I want boobs" or "I want a penis" and mom calls up the family doc to schedule the appointment.
Your whole argument hinges of this conservative boogeyman thinking that any kid can just walk up to their lib parents and magic up a full gender reassignment surgery. And your example of girl asking her parents for bigger boobs would probably be denied by any reputable cosmetic surgeon.
Let's be real: that type of total transition medical care is astronomically expensive and heavily gated by the professional medical community/industry. So how 'bout we leave those decisions to these kids, their families, and the qualified medical professionals?
You're not a bad guy, but this is kind of a bad faith argument, saying that a 14yo not being comfortable with their gender is just a phase they'll grow out of (like any other stupid kid / teenager phase). Does it happen? sure, of course it does. But it's not 'just a phase' for the VAST majority of trans pre adults. If you're scared that someone will change their mind and keep them from doing anything until 18, then they get hit with full wrong gender puberty and change their bodies in ways they can't undo. Most of the older trans women I know transitioned in adulthood, and it sucks to say but they still sound like a dude talking. They hate it. They wish so bad they could have been allowed to do this as early as possible. They knew exactly what was going on, but had to wait. It's up to parents to know their kids and say are you sure? are you SURE? REALLY? yeah? ok cool let's do this then. Why make them suffer longer?
None of that is anywhere close to what's happening.
They give them a pill to temporarily block puberty. The point is to keep them from feeling severe mental anguish at their body developing the wrong way while they get years of therapy before a surgery.
"cut their dick off" yeah that's exactly what gender affirming care is. This isn't about surgery, it's about HRT and puberty blockers, and the regret rates for all of those things are super low. Besides, there is already an epidemic of trans suicides. Do I need to repeat that? People are killing themselves because of transphobia, and yes, detransitioners exist, but most people don't regret getting gender reaffirming care, and again, this is about HRT and puberty blockers, not just surgery.
You mean how in the US they literally mutilate the genitalia of a majority of male children as soon as they are born and how no-one is doing anything about it?
I agree. That should be illegal.
Those babies can't possibly consent to having their prepuces removed. Forced genital mutilation. Fucking disgusting.
“As someone with no horse in this race, this seems fair to me”
Nobody is doing that. "Gender-affirming care" also includes giving hormone blockers to a kid who started puberty way too early.
