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6d ago

Capitalism means freedom of choice

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6d ago

Capitalism means freedom of choice

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porque no los dos

You forgot the 3rd panel: exploit people.
- you generally have to win the birth lottery to get a head start there though
  
  yeah, but if you do win it you get to have a good time.

There's also unions. Come join me kneecapping the boss for trying to cross the strike line together!

- This implies
  Greed affects all systems equally
  Capitalism is great on paper (lol)
  All systems equally allow for "greedy people" to "take more than their share."
  Essentially, your argument doesn't actually make any real analysis of the material makeup of different societal structures, it's a form of analytical nihilism that, when presented with a question, refuses to answer at all.
- I'm 13 and this is deep.

i dont think that is what capitalism tries to be, its just that we have all these big corrupt governments that take things to this point
- These big corrupt governments are a direct product of how the capitalist system functions. Politics are fundamentally inseparable from economics.
  
  if you argue that big corrupt governments are a product of the capitalist system, then ill argue big oppressive governments are a product of the communist system
  at the end of the day, i think both of these systems can work in theory, the problem is that neither one of these systems are implemented properly
  as long fundamental human values such as ethics, morality, justice, equality and democracy are not valued, it doesn't matter which system you choose, it's not gonna work

Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?

What if you are a shitty employee and the capitalist doesn t notice. You are getting payed way to much for the little work you do. Or you are working solo and selling your own goods those are choices.
- For your first, outliers exist in every system, but a system is its averages and not its outliers. For the latter, you can't really be expected to compete with mass manufacturing on price per quality.
  
  You obviously cannot compete with mass production goods, but there are a lot of products like food, art etc, that benefit from being unique. I agree tho it is not the norm, but still a choice.

I agree, through the lens of unfetted capitalism, but, with adequate regulation, I don’t think this is a necessary outcome. Although, perhaps “unfetted capitalism” isn’t capitalism?
- Why would capitalists, who run the system under capitalism, choose to regulate themselves?
- Perhaps it's time to stop using appeals to purity and acknowledge that this is how capitalism functions in practice everywhere it's been tried. Entire books have been written on the subject of why capital concentration is a necessary product of capitalism, and how capitalists use their wealth in shape society in their own interest. The government ultimately represents the class that holds power, and in a capitalist society it happens to be the capital owning class. That's why even when regulations are enacted, they're always dismantled in the end.
- Capitalism can't last forever due to issues like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, and tendency towards monopolization over time. Regulation doesn't stop this.

Porque no Las dos

I probably get hate for this but I think it's too easy to blame everything on capitalism. I think the lack of governance of big businesses is what is actually causing issues. The laws allow for exploitation and the infinite accumulation of wealth. Capitalism has to follow the laws...
- Have you considered that there may be a link between Capitalism as a Mode of Production and the continuous strengthening of power in Monopolies over the State?
  
  Right, "lack of monopolies", the defining trait of communism...
- How can you not understand that all these things are related and are a direct product of the way capitalist system function.
  
  Because it's not...
- The capitalist class largely writes the laws, and they don’t like competition at all.
  Competition is for losers. — Peter Thiel[1][2]
  George Carlin: It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.
  [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
  "Bourgeois Democracy": What Do Marxists Mean By This Term?
- Damn, who would have thought that a system where power comes from holding capital, the laws favor those who hold capital.
- @Luccajan @yogthos
  No. Capitalism makes the laws!

Start a business, emigrate, apply for social support programs, retrain to a job that's in demand...
- start a business: you’re still being exploited, and now you’re an exploiter
  emigrate: okay and now you’re in a different place and have ended back at the original choices
  social support: which usually require ending back and the original choices
  retrain: okay you retrain and now… you find yourself back at the original choices
  
  The solution is to own land to live off of it I guess?

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