I think it's unlikely since it would be a nuclear war 100%, and no government of potentially involved parties actually wants that, so they will never escalate to that point in reality
enjoy continued proxy conflicts
if there ever IS a world nuclear war I will make myself available to receive my I-told-you-so's
Walking up to a bunch of Powder Gangers with "I've been owned" written on a cardboard sign to Get 'Whats Coming To Me'.
even conservative (non propagandistic) estimates put chinas economy eclipsing the us around 2025-2028. even a short war (~2 years) has the possibility of setting back china's gdp >30% and a longer timeline would mean an even bigger hit. it's pretty obvious that the next few years are going to be extremely crucial and the us will not let this chance pass them before its too late. us policy papers put the biggest factor on determining the war with china on the situation with chinas neighbors and the united states has not stopped agitating within those countries to change the odds. most of these countries are extremely economically linked with china as well, so the us is probably getting freaky w some real freakos to undermine that relationship. definitely gonna be a decade of decades.
Don't think GDP is the best way to determine where we are on the timeline of America's desperation to start a war. Even ignoring the fact that GDP is a terrible way of measuring the size of an economy, a larger economy doesn't necessarily mean it's stronger or more stable. Classic example being Russia thriving in all those sanctions even though "it has a pitiful economy smaller than Italy" because Russia's economy is comprised of largely useful things in the context of geopolitical warfare while Italy is pretentious pasta, tourism, overpriced trunks, and designer apparel
The size of China's economy definitely correlates to how well insulated it is against aggression due to a strong manufacturing base and global trade entwinement but it doesn't necessarily have to correlate with how big of a threat it is to America. China has no power projection with its military and can't engage in much offensive economic warfare. China can sanction America but it goes both ways since they would damage their own exports. If China grows its economy by selling more goods to the West that the US doesn't produce themselves, that's not threatening at all
America's economy obviously depends on weaponizing USD hegemony and imperialism in all its forms so a better way to gauge how close we are to war imo is how much damage China is doing to affect America's ability to do those things through their relationship and projects building with the Global South
Predicting the timeline quantitatively, we could probably look at Global South countries' ratio of loans between IMF/World Bank/USA and China, their ratio of trade between the West and China, percentage of USD in foreign reserves, percentage of trade conducted in USD, and the ratio between USA's M2 money supply and inflation/forex rate (to track how effectively they can print money)
We probably get close to war when/if numbers like these start accelerating in the favour of China to a point where the US feels it can't recover (imo much further away when China > USA in GDP). Plaza Accord happened when Japan's GDP was 1/3 of America's but it was clear American exports were not going to recover against Japan's growth by that time. Think the 2025 China surpassing USA in GDP is just watered down economic propaganda for the masses like how USA invaded the Middle East for "oil" when technically it was to control the oil markets and protect the petrodollar
I think the missing parts of your analysis are the populations of the West. Ignoring the bourgeoisie, there's the petite bourgeoisie, the labor aristocracy, the proletariat, and the lumpenproletariat.
The petite bourgeoisie and the labor aristocracy has a huge chance of converting their nations to full white nationalist.
The proletariat is a wild card, but also small because there is not much production happening in the West.
The lumpen is pretty huge, getting more militant, have surprisingly kept revolutionary ideas alive, and have an identity that includes historical revolutionary movements.
If the USA sanctions China, China will suffer economically, but they have a massive network and massive population - they will adapt. If China sanctions the USA the social fabric will deteriorate very quickly. Same in Europe. Europe has been trying to get closer to China to avoid the USA isolating them from the productive economies of the world because they know that their people will revolt if they can't get their cheap goods.
The USA seems like it's deliberately building a white nationalist movement to carry it through a social collapse, but Europe is more of a patchwork with some countries building a successful white nationalist movement and others not.
I think a lot of what happens in the next decade really depends on what ends up happening in Africa starting with Niger. If China and Russia are successful in supporting the liberation movements there. If the West risks getting cut off from both raw materials and finished goods, the only option they will have is proxy warfare simultaneously in Africa, Europe, and South America. Given the history of guerilla success against Western military doctrine, conflict on 3 continents will be unmanageable and if the West attempts it they will burn through their reserves too quickly. It will still be a decade of bloodshed, but the internal conflicts will be the sharpest they have ever been in the history of the West and I'ma West will be at its lowest production levels in history. I think these two things are going to be critical components of the next 2 decades of history.
oop yea i didnt mean to say that war was coming by 2025-2028 but rather that there's definite and clear evidence that at some point china will eclipse the US as the world's hegemon, and the US won't let that happen. tbh itll be hard to say when a direct war with china will ever break out, but we know for a fact that it is already being fought in the periphery. the war between china and the us will be determined by the international situation as we can see with things like the indo pacific framework solidifying an economic-political-military alliance between the us, japan, india and australia aimed at surrounding china. the host of allegiances between the two poles will probably be the brunt of the violence until the situation severely deteriorates.
both sides it looks like are trying to play the long game, so idk if anybody could really make an accurate prediction, but you make a lot of good points
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good take
great post
Death to America
:inshallah:
nah
No. No outcome of Russia and Ukraine is a threat to the global hegemony.
The west is backing Ukraine because it wants easy access to raid Russian raw materials to stave off the climate crisis in the imperial core.
If it doesn’t get that access through the pressure that a surrounded Russia could be made to feel or, even better a regime change, things will just get bad for Europe at the same rate they get bad for India and pakistan et al.
Ww3 is coming from the inevitable American invasion of China.
You think America will invade China?
Yeah for the us it’s gonna have to happen eventually. Economically the imperial core can’t tolerate the parallel trade and banking network chinas building out and even if they weaken the cpc and chinas infrastructure and cohesion with proxies and stuff a basket case China is so dangerous to the rest of the world that it’s impossible direct intervention doesn’t happen.
And of course when proxies and embargoes and whatnot don’t work direct intervention is the fallback. Whatever the us government makeup at the time, when all the generals say “we either respond to this unchecked agression now while we have the upper hand or never again as a sovereign nation” they’ll all put on flag pins and wear fatigues to press conferences and vote war.
E: this is at least fifteen years out.
I doubt it, but Ukraine definitely wants it to happen.
What makes you say that?
They continue to insist the war can only end with getting all of their territory back, including Crimea. That would only be possible if Russia loses WW3, Ukraine can't accomplish that on their own.
Plus Ukraine recently asked for missiles to fire at Iran and Syria, which IMO they intend for that to escalate things into WW3. NATO recognized this and is thankfully not as deranged as Ukraine so they refused the missiles.
Death to America
It seems to me like there are no forces within the imperial core countries that want to start ww3. The US, UK etc. None want it.
They could blunder into it but they're actively trying to avoid it while pursuing their interests. I can't visibly see any that actually want it too, besides Ukraine.
