Oh look, more concentration camps!
Oh look, more concentration camps!
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I was curious, so I tried to find the article. Here is an excerpt from NPR that I found first:
Panama sends 97 U.S. deportees to migrant camp after they refused to be repatriated
PANAMA CITY — Panama transferred about one-third of the deportees from various nations it had received from the United States to a camp in its Darien province Wednesday, an area that became the main thoroughfare for migrants traveling from South America to the U.S. border in recent years, security officials said late Wednesday.
The migrants sent to Darien had refused to voluntarily be repatriated to their countries and will be held there until third countries can be found to take them, said a Panamanian official familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the US sent the deportees to Panama, and all of this is happening at their governments discretion. Obviously they are in this situation because of the US, which I am not happy about, but it doesn't seem to follow that the Trump regime is sending people to concentration camps based on this event.
Edit: Someone else linked the original article, which has more details.
Context, the deportees aren't even all from Central / South America. At least one mentioned was Iranian. So it seems the US is just sending people to Panama who didn't even necessarily originate from there, so that the US doesn't have to deal with them anymore. Seems disgusting.
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Panama is accepting planes with random people because of US threats to its sovereignty (canal). While it could absorb 50 or so new Panamanian "tourists" who might well migrate north again, making it not Panama problem, it is sure that they expect to receive more under condition of "making them stay"
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This is a direct violation of rights under the US Constitution. If they can detain and send non citizens abroad with no due process then there is no functional block to them doing it to citizens. All the same reasoning applies because the US Constitution gives everyone in the US rights. The only thing protecting citizens right now is the lack of a law directing their deportation and the willingness of ICE to check documents.
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Someone keep an eye on BASF here in Germany. I hope no packages leave the plant for panama....
Disgusting fucks.
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Is there ink to the actual article I can read?
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Thank you. I’ll give it a read.
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From the article (thanks @ditty@lemm.ee) it's completely clear that:
a. This is just a temporary holding camp until the illegal migrants can be repatriated back to their original countries
b. This isn't even a US camp - it's a Panamanian camp - so if you want to be mad about the unconfirmed conditions of the camp, you should be mad at Panama
c. This is in no way a concentration camp, and divisive, intentionally inflammatory one-liners like this from talking heads on Twitter-likes continue to be the bane of public discourse.
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Nothing is more permanent than temporary.
If they were motivated to do permanent well, they wouldn't have bothered with temporary.
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Panama all but made it clear that they don't even want these migrants in the first place - why on earth would they then imprison them permanently on their soil at significant cost and potential political backlash now that they're out of the US's jurisdiction?
Like, it's obviously possible that's the case, but I can't see a reason to do so that makes any sense.
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a. Temporarily concentrating a group of people together in a camp is still a concentration camp.
b. Then why are the US getting involved and sending their own undesirables there? At best, this is a bad thing Panama are doing, and the US said "hey cool we wanna remove people from society too but don't want to build our own concentration camps because that'd look bad, can we send them to yours pls?"
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a. Sure, if we're disingenuously ignoring the meanings and implications of words today for some reason.
b. For the first part of this question, here's a response I made elsewhere that addresses it:
"The article doesn’t address that, so I’d be speculating, but if I had to guess, I’d say either:
- US authorities determined that Panama had some sort of culpability for the migrants entering the US - maybe they were lax in their policing of the Darien Gap, for example
or, also quite likely given how much of a petty dick Trump is:
- Trump forced Panama specifically to take them as a show of power related to his threat to steal the Panama Canal."
For the second part of your b. point, I don't see a reason that this is a bad thing for Panama to do, even if it sucks that they're the ones having to do it. This isn't a concentration camp - it's a temporary camp until the migrants can be repatriated.
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Temporary or not, this is not humane and should not be tolerated by either government. Everybody deserves a basic level of decency. Or would you like to stay in a cage, even if for a couple of weeks? It is dehumanising.
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What? Of course it's humane - all of their needs are being met, and they're only there temporarily.
And yes, if I entered another country illegally, I would fully expect to be locked up until I could be repatriated, whether in a jail cell or a cage, and they would be fully justified in doing so.
Extended detainment in a cage might eventually become inhumane though, so if against all odds this setup isn't temporary, then yeah, I'd probably agree that it's inhumane.
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No u lmao gotteeeeeem
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This is just a temporary holding camp
@remindme@mstdn.social 3 months
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@remindme@mstdn.social 3 months
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@Rozauhtuno Ok, I will remind you on Tuesday May 20, 2025 at 6:02 PM UTC.
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That's fair. I guess we'll see. Just because the camp remains open doesn't mean that people aren't being repatriated in a timely manner though.
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Wow you dodge the entire issue of the US Constitution and legal Asylum so well. I'd like to see you in a Dodgeball game.
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The US allows legal asylum. Whether the US is correctly following their own laws with regard to legal asylum is a completely separate issue from whether or not this Panamanian site is a concentration camp, as the talking head is asserting in an incredibly emotionally manipulative manner.
As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, people here seem really intent on conflating their own thoughts on immigration in general with the actual situation being described in the article.
I've always kinda sucked at dodgeball. Good at throwing, good at catching, reeeally bad at dodging.
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I doubt it's as nice as a zoo though
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