No, no. Love them, but look down on them like the sinner that they are.

I take your meaning, but the amount they've spent lobbying various governments on the issue does make it literally their business.

That's a bit of a stretch don't you think. I don't like the church either but saying they're responsible for the Holocaust is quite a leap lmfao

Because Adolf Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for post-WW1 financial troubles and used phrases like "Bolsheviks" and "Marxism" to convince right leaning German citizens that the Jews were not only the cause of their problems but actively working to destroy their way of life.

This instilled a belief system in the fundamentalist "patriots" that it was up to them in order to fix the issues by standing against the Jewish population, this lead to events like Kristallnacht where businesses and homes were violated and destroyed in an attempt to make Jews fear for their lives.

Eventually when the Nazis started rounding up the Jews, not only were most of their neighbors okay with it happening, it wasn't uncommon for them to assist in reporting and turning them in.

So you could say social engineering and propaganda over the course of years were the primary reason why the holocaust occurred, as it would face too much push back from an unprimed group that hasnt been molded over time to assess said group as "the enemy."

its not like the protestant were famous for being projew.

Annnnnd We all think you're being very disingenuous with your veiled claim, because of your own vested interest in your creepy religion...

to deny what is a fact, because you have an anecdotal experience, does not absolve the entire religion, it's participants and it's leaders of its atrocious behavior and criminal acts... a good person would abstain from the chruch and practice in private z like Christ told you to do.. he told you not be like the heathens in the streets, praying loud so the world would hear them.. they have their reward... he told you and all his followers to be of quiet cheer and practice alone. You will find no sympathy here for your pathetic excuse of your pedophile religion

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Please feel free to point out any specific statements they made which are inaccurate.

Oh full agreement, I’m ex Catholic myself (pagan now but it wasn’t a direct conversion). And yeah that’s what Francis was for and what he’s trying to do. There are still young Catholics and I’d break them into two groups: religiously inclined people who like theological rigor or ritual and were probably raised Catholic, and those who find value in regressive traditionalism. The former tend to convert to something like episcopalianism if their values drive them from the church. The latter on the other hand drive more people from regular Catholic attendance

You jest, but I do think that violence and papal assassination are absolutely on the table here. I suspect we’re going to enter a second warring popes period or simply have a tense situation where both sides claim to hold a pope. Most likely Francis will fall left or liberal. Benedict just died otherwise I could see him providing legitimacy to the conservatives. But enough cardinals will probably split to pick a new pope.

If the conservatives get the Vatican it’ll probably be through Italian intervention and I would suspect that the liberals/left leaning will set up in France, South America, Ireland, or attempt to bargain for a square mile or so of Jerusalem.

If the liberals/left get the Vatican it’ll likely be thanks to pope Francis and I suspect the conservatives will set up in the United States, elsewhere in Italy, Spain, or attempt to get a small portion of Jerusalem.

There’s also a chance both are theologically stubborn enough to insist that their bishop of Rome is their leader and thus they either split the Vatican or attempt to get more of Rome.

I'm sure they would censor him for missinformation since his message would be detrimental to economic growth.

but people are going to call them out on the bullshit. if they didn't care about appearances they would probably show up more frequently in close proximity to childrens.

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Indeed, death to Reddit, long live Lemmy! 😛 It’s gotten really awesome for a decentralised volunteer run & donations based system. 👏👏👏

The Pope is only infallible under certain conditions. That anything he declares is infallible is a misunderstanding. Not a surprising one since Catholicism is stupid and complicated and full of magical mumbo-jumbo bullshit.

The Catholic church exists to control, undermine, bully, abuse and extract money from their members.

If the pope threatens those endeavors he is very likely to find himself no longer the pope. The rules will bend to the values because the values dictate the culture. The Jesus and love parts are just for decoration.

pope infallibility is like the supreme court. The is right until another pope is says otherwise. And yes the catholic church can excommunicate them, and they have for similar issues.

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