House Votes to Oust Kevin McCarthy as Speaker: Live Updates - The New York Times
House Votes to Oust Kevin McCarthy as Speaker: Live Updates - The New York Times
The vote orchestrated by a group of far-right lawmakers leaves the House without leadership. The speaker was unable to manage a bitter power struggle within the Republican Party.
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I prefer Dems be honest and say they like chaos, if that's really the motive.
I prefer that because they are effectively shutting down the government longer and potentially contributing to another chaos, which is the Ukraine aid.If they want to be trusted, do it without hiding behind an excuse.
Edit: I'm not blaming it on the Dems. I'm just saying they should not hide their motives if that's what they are doing.
Edit 2: I stroke through the sentence that triggered you guys. Hopefully that would make my point clearer.
The GOP sets itself on fire and you are trying to lay blame on the Dems?
That's not my point. See the edit.
That did not clear anything up for me.
Alright, so I think we agree that
- what you complained was not my point (it's written)
- you don't understand my point
At this point, you're replying to a text you don't understand. Why do you do that?
An excellent question. At this point I have no idea why I should continue trying to engage with you on this discussion platform.
Good Day.
The democrats motives are irrelevant as this is a manufactured problem of the GOP’s making.
That's not my point.
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Hell, then don't reply to a comment you don't understand.
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If you check replies to my comment from different people, you'll see one person who understood what I wrote. So, no, it's of substance.
As you started insulting me, I have one thing to say to you. I've met people online with poor reading skills and most of them inserted "lmfao" in their comments in an attempt to appear strong.
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That's not my point. See the edit.
I see your point. It's just kinda... Not true I think.
As I see it: They never wanted McCarthy anyway, he was too extreme for them from the beginning. They realized pretty soon that they would rather see him go then stay, since it would just be too difficult to get on board with his shenanigans. He was not being a Speaker of the House, the whole house, he was trying to be the lackey for the Republicans.
And using the shutdown as a way to pressure them was a republican thing. Not the Dems. The Dems just called their bluf. Which in the end.. turned out to be just that.
In the end, republicans are doing this to themselves, they are (rather) quickly destroying the party from within. Fascinating to see.
Thinking about it more... It would have been an interesting tactic of the Dems to "cooperate" with some more level headed Republicans and sideline the Chaos Caucus from having anymore influence. It could have had major impact on the effectiveness of the house going forward.
As I understand it, they actually tried this. Sort of. But McCarthy was very ANTI-DEMS towards it. So they voted the way they did.
Exactly. McCarthy expected a bail out but refused to talk to them - partially because the Chaos Caucus (nice) explicitly punished him for any reaching across the aisle, but also because he was arrogant enough to think he wouldn't be left twisting in the wind. Then he had the audacity to blame Pelosi!
He offered them nothing. Literally nothing. The senate had a bipartisan agreement in hand that everyone was ready to go with. McCarthy and his faction said "no." They said they wanted no compromise and they got exactly what they wanted. The great irony being the 8 members of the GOP who said "no compromise" voted with the democrats against their own party.
I mean no matter how you look at this, the blame lies squarely with McCarthy and Gaetz.
I think that's fair. My comment was a reaction to the opinion in the article that implied Dems enjoy the chaos for political advantage. As you probably understood, I don't like it if that was really the case.
Agreed, that would not be beneficial to anyone really. Basically a "shitty move".
Seems like Republicans really did not leave them any other option though.
Also: the reporting of the New York Times has really nose-dived in quality the last few years.
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That's because I got basically the same reply multiple times. What am I supposed to do? Waste time paraphrasing the same text?
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Why should Democrats vote for a Republican for Speaker of the House?...
That's not my point. See the edit.
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That's not my point. See the edit.