Voting fash out of office isn't antifash enough for hexies

They're right.
- I wrote the title too hastily. I meant to say it doesn't count as all for them, not that it's enough.

Germany is closer than ever to a second fascist takeover, with the ruling CDU actively trying to normalize the AfD, and the latter now leading the polls, by far the highest they've ever been. They've also doubled their vote in the last election. So yes, antifascists did not win here
- Nor are they antifascist by any means. In fact they love to put antifascists on watch lists, and cry in the media about the dangers of the radical left while ignoring years of nazis organizing to murder minorities.

Yeah remember when we all banded together and peacefully voted hitler and mussolini out?
- If Hitler hadn't been in office, do you imagine nothing would be different? Like they'd pluck that rabble-rousing failed artist off the street when Hindenburg died?
  If Hillary had won, The Idiot would just be some fuckin' guy. The same loudmouthed punchline he'd always been. The election was the only thing that gave him power - so not electing him would have stopped his atrocities.
  When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin' guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
  If Harris had won, The Idiot would still be some fuckin' guy. He couldn't disappear people to foreign countries, from his couch.
  Elections matter. Elections work. Elections are step one. If you just don't put fascists in power, fascists tend not to have power. If you're dumb enough to do it anyway - we did in fact peacefully vote out The Idiot. Remember? Biden won. By the skin of his teeth, thanks to our batshit stupid electoral system. Despite every effort to prevent, lie about, and then ignore the results. American democracy was strong enough that this liberal-bashing jibe actually happened - once.
  
  The problem is we already elected him and now he's going full fascist so everything you wrote was a waste of time.
  
  When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin’ guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
  Right, because everyone knows that Hitler never would have been Chancellor if he had been arrested and thrown in jail for treason after attempting a coup d'état
  Jesus Christ, for as often as libs compare Trump to Hitler i'm actually shocked at how little they actually know about that similarity.
  
  Hitler never got directly voted in by an election. Please go read history again.

"you can't vote fascists out of office
votes Fascists out of office
"Well uh still not good enough!"

Well, is it enough? Voting is good, but is it enough to defeat fascism? It wasn't enough in the USA. It would be wonderful if voting was enough everywhere, but fascists don't just accept the results of an election and give up their dreams of ruling over you.
- It wasn't enough in the USA.
  Perhaps ironically, because people didn't vote. Anti-electoralists/accelerationists oppose reform and incremental change.
  
  Yes it is ironic. But even if ppl voted and we got the democrats. There’s still lots to do. The dems are still neoliberals who prioritise the wealth of the few over the lives of the many. They are just a little more moderated than the republicans at that.
  So if you vote Dem and think “I’ve done all I can” you’re also part of the problem. Lasting serious change requires radical collective action. Voting isn’t enough. It’s just a tiny thing you should do aswell. The bulk of the effort stands outside it.
  Voting is not how we get liberation. It’s how we occasionally slow down the machine that crushes people.
  (Obligatory Fuck Hexbear for their support of Imperialist and Genocidal Regimes)
  
  Voter turnout has been relatively high in the past few elections. You could argue that the baseline was extremely low, and I agree with you that there is a concerted effort to suppress and discourage voting. But voting is not enough, because our system has been structured and modified to limit our options.
  
  The vast majority of people who don't vote are not anti-electorialist, they are just apathetic/lazy
- I think it is more of a failure of the democrats. Harris simply did not get enough traction compared to Trump. The Democrat party was simply complacent and underestimated the power of the Republican party. They kind of just assumed everyone was going to vote Democratic when in really Trump worked very hard to swing the swing voters. Winning a US election is hard and you can't just it on your butt and assume people will vote for you. Harris came into the game way to late and didn't have much of a plan. She could've made something up like Trump does but instead she associated herself with unfixed issues.
  
  Don't care. Opposing nazis is a basic duty that all humans have. Refusing to do so is betrayal.

He is making good relations with Russia. That's probably why

Crazy that the original post said nothing about what antifascists do or don't do but people insist on projecting.
"Fascists aren't gaining power. Antifascists are making a comeback"
The first sentence is necessary (but not sufficient) for beating fascism; the second is a statement of momentum.
Antifascism has existed as long as fascism, well before any guns were fired or wars were fought. It encompasses many different approaches to opposing fascism and isn't even strictly a left-wing position (revolutionary vs counter revolutionary).
If you think the only viable playbook to beat fascism is revolutionary accelerationism, that's a logical stance to take. But it makes no sense to be upset when other people use the term differently.

Did they vote out fascism or just successfully not vote in the explicitly far right? Though I mean hell, Germany's AfD just had its best showing didn't it?
- The AfD did do really well last election, but it was also just classified as a right-wing extremist organization by Germany's equivalent of the FBI. That means more monitoring and possibly reduction or removal of public funding. That should hopefully be an obstacle for them in the future.
  
  It's amazing how a German political party used their version of the secret police to attack their political opponents, and somehow, people think the AfD are the fascists. Just bizarre.
- And might be dismantled as a neo-Nazi organization.
  As with South Korea, you can see these mechanisms functioning, whether or not the end result... works.

reminder that the first antifascists who happened to vote were organized in paramilitaries so they could fight Nazis in the streets. unless libs start doing that, I don't wanna hear about "le cordon sanitaire".
judging by how modern libs are all rabid Zionists, maybe no paramilitaries for them though 🤧

Labor's not pro-israel lol
They're entirely neutral
- tbf, neutrality in the face atrocity is complicity
  
  Neutrality towards Israeli is about as oppositional as any entity can be. The extremes tend to fall between 'support' and 'neutrality' no matter how many children or civilians die.
  
  Only if you're consumed by propaganda.
  What the fuck can australia legitimately do about the conflict? Nothing but strong words and not much else.

Sure, but is Trump and his cronies in jail?
Hexies are pointing out that the fash despost is death camping political opponents away, and 🇺🇲liberals are fine with that if it means slave labour in 🇺🇲 prisons.
Fascists are winning in the 🇺🇲 by being violent traffickers. Voting doesn't suddenly coalesce opposition.