What 2FA app are you switching to? (iOS)
What 2FA app are you switching to? (iOS)
As we all know, Ravio has been removed from the recommended multi-factor authentication apps for iOS on PrivacyGuides.
As I want to export all my TOTP codes out of Ravio ASAP, what apps are you migrating towards? I know a few were mentioned such as:
• Tofu • Ente • 2FAS • FreeOTP • Bitwarden TOTP + Yubikey
I switched to 2FAS.
You can’t export from FreeOTP. Ente doesn’t appear to be open source. Tofu is an option but I’m afraid it might not be maintained.
Edit: Use Ente. It’s the best option.
Ente Auth seems open source: https://github.com/ente-io/auth
But the need for account is trowing me off a little bit. I’ll give a try to 2FAS as well.
From ente Authenticator launch blog post, they do state it is open-source.
Tofu is an option but I’m afraid it might not be maintained.
They made an annoucement 2 weeks ago about switching maintainer.
https://github.com/iKenndac/Tofu
2FAS
They only support iOS/iPadOS 16.4 or later.. no go for me
You can export from freeOTP+ Its great. You can back up to another password manager by simply copying the shared secret also. But I don't think it's available for iOS. Oh well, if you want more freedom and privacy, you'll have to move to android.
Why are people switching away from Raivo?
/c/outoftheloop
Edit: Looks like it's been bought by a generic app developer about which there are few details to be found: https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/raivo-otp-authenticator-has-been-acquired/4962/2
The password manager for iphone or ios has mfa built in - seems to work ok. Its a bit annoying if you use a desktop thats not mac though and have to search for the mfa code among the millions of passwords.
iCloud Keychain is available as a chrome extension now, works on windows too. Hopefully Firefox is in the works
True but like someone else mentioned here it’s not the best having all eggs in the same basket. If for eggsample 🙂 the apple account gets compromised it’s going to be hard.
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I was in the middle of switching 2FA over to Raivo from Apple Keychain and you drop this aaaaa-
I was for a while contemplating myself to switch to Raivo from 2FA 😂. Now I’ll stay put. 😇
I just use Authy
I used to use them a while back but now I use Aegis. I prefer my 2fa offline and disconnected from the internet. I still keep my backups saved in safe spaces though. It served me well to get off of Authy too because last year, they got compromised.
Edit: After digging into 2FAS, I think it is now my top choice. Seems like more of a drop in replacement for Raivo. https://2fas.com/
My second choice is (as of this edit) Owky. I’ve not seen anyone talking about it, but it’s FOSS and has the ability to export your TOTP codes.
Im a little worried about it not being maintained though, since it’s a single developer.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/owky-two-factor-authenticator/id1602245257
Other options I’ve considered:
Tofu Authenticator. Unfortunately it’s basic though and lacks the ability to export.
ente Authenticator. Account required, and I’m a little undecided on the company. Might be a serious option though.
I use Authy. It has Apple Watch app for quick access.
I have been using Authy as well. Works great in an apple ecosystem too.
Allows a quick copy from your phone to paste into computer browser when prompted for super easy usage.
I honestly have been loving iCloud Keychain. I’m pretty all-in Apple though, if I was more multi plat I would move to 2FAS
I’m not a big fan of putting all your eggs in one basket. If for whatever reason your Apple account gets compromised, you’re utterly fucked lol.
I’m a fan of 1Password. Makes it easy to keep all my secrets in one place, behind a yubikey.
1Pass auto fill of 2FA is so OP on desktop.
I love the family sharing features as well.
I‘m using Google Authenticator, but so far nobody else here seems to, am I doing it wrong??
Considering googles track record with privacy I would hesitate to use it
I was going to ask the same question since I’m in the same boat.
Fan of OTP Auth
So I'm not on iOS but... the websites I need to use for various work things all require that you use a specific authenticator. But they all choose a different random one. It drives me insane. I have 4 different apps. Google Authenticator, Authy, Duo Mobile, and Onelogin Protect. I pray I change jobs before I get a new phone.
Oh that's interesting. I know for my work, it says to use Google Authenticator, but I am still able to sign up with any app of my choice.
I realize there are exceptions to this, and you might fall into that category, but…
Most of the time when websites say they require a particular app, they actually don’t. Like if a website says to use Google Authenticator, you can actually use any TOTP app. There is even a workaround for using Steam’s TOTP without their app.
Don’t be scared to just try importing the QR or text based code into another app when you are signing up for a service. A functioning website won’t let you progress to the next screen without having the proper code in your app.
I’m a fan of OTP Auth.
It’s been reliable, supports local and cloud backup / exporting, is simplistic in use and has a strong privacy policy.
I have been using ProtonMail and Drive already so it was an easy decision to switch to Proton Pass when it came out. It's an all-in-one password manager which let's you store 2FA as well and also let's you make email aliases. It's synced everywhere, on Firefox on my linux desktop to my android phone to my iPad.
I use Bitwarden for everything, including my totp codes. I should probably use a separate app solely for Bitwarden's totp code, but the danger of losing it all gives me such a rush!
You can write down your Bitwarden 2FA recovery codes and keep multiple copies of them in safe and private places
Apple Keychain OTP
Totp with bitwarden. Such a nice integration
I'm curious. I know Bitwarden or keepass can handle TOTPs, but can't I unlock your Bitwarden vault and have access to your password and 2fa code? Or do they have protection against it? Otherwise I have everything I need.
yes, that's the downside of it. You can add additional password requests for some things, but not sure if it works for 2FA. (basically: if you want to use this resource, unlock the vault, but also additionally request the password again)
I use keepassxc topt
I'm currently enjoying ProtonPass' built-in 2FA. You gotta be on a paid plan, however, but it's worth it imo.
Where are you keeping the 2FA code for your proton account? (Supposing you have it set up)
I keep that one in my iCloud keychain just out of convenience
What happened to Raivo?
They got bought out by Mobime.
I’ve been using 1Password for years and love it. It’s multi-device support was one of the reasons I started using it, and now have a family subscription to share some things with my wife.
I rely on TOTP a lot for my IT job. With 1Password it’s easy to display them on my Apple Watch so I don’t need to keep opening the app on my phone or laptop.
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None, just using the built in manager.
I switched to 2FAS but im also looking into Proton Pass since im subscriber (password manager + 2FA) but i dont want to put all my eggs in one basket. Atm im using proton pass for unimportant stuff.
I’m currently in the process of switching to 2fas. It seemed the best available alternative for me.
I recommend Raivo or Tofu both open source and I believe you can save and export it somewhere else to backup.
You did not read his post did you?
Hi, could you please recommend to me something that isn't x?
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Have you tried x?
I like Tofu, and I also quite like Authenticator, but so far 2FAS seems to be the only option that offers backups without an account and that isn't a full-blown password manager.
I’m using the microsoft Authenticator, is it bad?
The built in password manager and keychain can handle OTP since a few versions back.
OTP Auth
I'll be using BitWarden as my 2FA app. I use KeePass as my password manager so it would still be two different services/apps.
I was planning on using Tofu but it has no FaceID which is mandatory IMO.
My recommendation is to stay away from the auth services that are account based such as ente or bitwarden UNLESS you have a 2nd method of authentication such as a yubikey. Why? Because you obviously can't store, for example, your bitwarden 2FA code in your bitwarden vault. Same with ente. That's why on android I use Authenticator Pro, as it isn't account based and has great backup options, such as backing up to cloud and file encryption. Not sure what an equivalent would be on iOS but I'd definitely want to find out! Bonus points if it's available on both iOS and Android.
Not on iOS but I like my yubikeys. Depending on your requirements (if you have less than 32 TOTP accounts per yubikey), they can handle your TOTP directly instead of just using them to unlock Bitwarden.
For security I don't like to keep my TOTP keys in my password manager, even if it is strongly protected. With a yubikey I can ensure that both access to the key AND a physical touch is necessary to generate any codes. So even if I leave it plugged in on a remotely compromised PC I'm mostly protected, because a touch is required.
I am undecided btw 2FAS and Ente. 2FAS has an excellent UI, but there is no desktop app. Ente requires an account, but it’s not a problem considering that everything is E2EE and it’s a company with good reputation.