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you really need to self crit and think about why you think beings only like you deserve safety and freedom from oppression. that really is so incompatible with everything we talk about here
"Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!"
hey i've read science fiction. if sapient aliens show up i'll drop all the human-centric language asap because every time we talk about human rights or whatever we mean intelligent thinking beings not specifically humans, but for now the only example we have of that is ourselves and y'all anthropomorphizing other animals is pure idealism.
There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption.
Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption.
yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses.
do you think non-human animals dont feel pain
idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain?
brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic
and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat?
idk, what does "feel" mean?
you're not seriously doing this debatelord bit lmao
Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position.
pure idealism
Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡
Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough.
But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off.
So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"?
