It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk
It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk
He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?
It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?
I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.
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The guy is facing like dozens of criminal charges. How can someone like that run for presidency in the first place?
Innocent until proven guilty. It's important to remember that.
However, I'd argue the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard than merely "not convicted."
Hasn't he now said things in open court multiple times that would be taken as direct admissions coming from anyone else?
I'm civil court. I don't think he's testified in any criminal cases yet. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm civil court
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Guys, what else do you say to anthropomorphic personifications?
Not today.
WE WILL BE BACK TOMORROW, COME BINKY.
Wouldn't matter, as long as it's entered in open court it's admissable as evidence.
Statements in civil court are admissible. He is allowed to take the 5th if it concerns criminal activity, it's just a bad thing because in civil court the worst is assumed of what was asked.
"Not convicted" is actually not a requirement. Being a natural born US citizen and at least 35 of age are the only ones, although specific convictions could bar him from holding specific offices.
If all of his lawsuits remain undecided until the elections there is nothing stopping him (and presumably finding a way to pardon himself ex post facto somehow).
He will appeal any and everything. He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.
He's also a former president so he'll count on special standing.
Convictions may - or should - move votes, but I fully expect him to be on ballots throughout the nation next year. A few states may use the 14th Amendment, but if any states prevail in that, I don't expect they were likely to go for him anyhow.
Someone will tell me I'm wrong, but states that want Trump enough do shady things. Also, anyone coming here with a sirens song about how Trump will be convicted and the DOJ really knows this matters... Let's see how this goes. I'm sure they're serious. I'm also sure the justice system will give him every chance to prove himself not guilty.
We must beat him at the ballot box. And we should prepare that way.
He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.
That's actually a big question especially if his businesses are seized.
He can get a million idiots to sign over their social security checks just by posting a video. He’s never running out of money.
Can't. That would be another crime.
People can help other people pay court costs. It's done every day across the US.
Where are you getting your information?
His business assets are under audit and he's not allowed to create any new accounts.
He can't accept money, his legal team could buy they haven't been paid by him or anyone else at this point.
His business accounts in New York, which is his main state of operation, sure.
He can accept money. He can use specific funds to pay lawyers.
I need to see a citation for what your are saying. I asked a question and all you did was say it less wrong, but still no reference.
It would be naive to assume there isn't a federal investigation at this point.
Sure, but he's partially in trouble for soliciting money and not using it for that purpose. Similarly his legal team repeatedly complain about not getting paid.
It's fraud, his accounts are being investigated, this is public knowledge I need not prove to you because it is in fact common sense as well given the charges directly related to it.
Not literally, mate. But if you can scam a grandmother out of her money by asking for itunes gift cards, you can bet she'll send an actual check.
He's been pulling millions in donations for his legal defense. He won't have a problem there.
Claimed and he's under investigation for the use of those funds. Similarly he hasn't paid his legal team, it's a big issue for them.
This encapsulates what I've been seeing here.
He will appeal that ruling. They have been trying to set multiple reasons why if should be allowed - and he'll try them all and then some.
The court where this ends (before 2025), is the court of public opinion. Or we get lucky that every layer rejects his claims that an appeal is warranted because x.
On the other end of the "things I support" spectrum, Eugene Debs kept running as a socialist for president even after he was put in jail (for a speech against the war)
E. V. Debs' Statement to the Court, Upon Being Convicted of Violating the Sedition Act, September 18, 1918:
"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
I listened to all that was said in this court in support and justification of this prosecution, but my mind remains unchanged. I look upon the Espionage Law as a despotic enactment in flagrant conflict with democratic principles and with the spirit of free institutions…
Your Honor, I have stated in this court that I am opposed to the social system in which we live; that I believe in a fundamental change—but if possible by peaceable and orderly means…
Standing here this morning, I recall my boyhood. At fourteen I went to work in a railroad shop; at sixteen I was firing a freight engine on a railroad. I remember all the hardships and privations of that earlier day, and from that time until now my heart has been with the working class. I could have been in Congress long ago. I have preferred to go to prison…
I am thinking this morning of the men in the mills and the factories; of the men in the mines and on the railroads. I am thinking of the women who for a paltry wage are compelled to work out their barren lives; of the little children who in this system are robbed of their childhood and in their tender years are seized in the remorseless grasp of Mammon and forced into the industrial dungeons, there to feed the monster machines while they themselves are being starved and stunted, body and soul. I see them dwarfed and diseased and their little lives broken and blasted because in this high noon of Christian civilization money is still so much more important than the flesh and blood of childhood. In very truth gold is god today and rules with pitiless sway in the affairs of men.
In this country—the most favored beneath the bending skies—we have vast areas of the richest and most fertile soil, material resources in inexhaustible abundance, the most marvelous productive machinery on earth, and millions of eager workers ready to apply their labor to that machinery to produce in abundance for every man, woman, and child—and if there are still vast numbers of our people who are the victims of poverty and whose lives are an unceasing struggle all the way from youth to old age, until at last death comes to their rescue and lulls these hapless victims to dreamless sleep, it is not the fault of the Almighty: it cannot be charged to nature, but it is due entirely to the outgrown social system in which we live that ought to be abolished not only in the interest of the toiling masses but in the higher interest of all humanity…
I believe, Your Honor, in common with all Socialists, that this nation ought to own and control its own industries. I believe, as all Socialists do, that all things that are jointly needed and used ought to be jointly owned—that industry, the basis of our social life, instead of being the private property of a few and operated for their enrichment, ought to be the common property of all, democratically administered in the interest of all…
I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence.
This order of things cannot always endure. I have registered my protest against it. I recognize the feebleness of my effort, but, fortunately, I am not alone. There are multiplied thousands of others who, like myself, have come to realize that before we may truly enjoy the blessings of civilized life, we must reorganize society upon a mutual and cooperative basis; and to this end we have organized a great economic and political movement that spreads over the face of all the earth.
There are today upwards of sixty millions of Socialists, loyal, devoted adherents to this cause, regardless of nationality, race, creed, color, or sex. They are all making common cause. They are spreading with tireless energy the propaganda of the new social order. They are waiting, watching, and working hopefully through all the hours of the day and the night. They are still in a minority. But they have learned how to be patient and to bide their time. The feel—they know, indeed—that the time is coming, in spite of all opposition, all persecution, when this emancipating gospel will spread among all the peoples, and when this minority will become the triumphant majority and, sweeping into power, inaugurate the greatest social and economic change in history.
In that day we shall have the universal commonwealth—the harmonious cooperation of every nation with every other nation on earth…
Your Honor, I ask no mercy and I plead for no immunity. I realize that finally the right must prevail. I never so clearly comprehended as now the great struggle between the powers of greed and exploitation on the one hand and upon the other the rising hosts of industrial freedom and social justice.
I can see the dawn of the better day for humanity. The people are awakening. In due time they will and must come to their own.
When the mariner, sailing over tropic seas, looks for relief from his weary watch, he turns his eyes toward the southern cross, burning luridly above the tempest-vexed ocean. As the midnight approaches, the southern cross begins to bend, the whirling worlds change their places, and with starry finger-points the Almighty marks the passage of time upon the dial of the universe, and though no bell may beat the glad tidings, the lookout knows that the midnight is passing and that relief and rest are close at hand. Let the people everywhere take heart of hope, for the cross is bending, the midnight is passing, and joy cometh with the morning."
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Ironically it's generally just that felons can't vote. There is some understandablility for not making felons unable to run for office, in theory it could be used as a political tool.
It's an easily exploitable human rights violation for that as is, which is why all the shithole states are making various forms of protest a felony.
Agreed
They should be able to vote too. Felonizing minorities is a real thing that's been going on since 1865.
I agree
Case in point: The QAnon Shaman is running for a US Senate seat. Seriously. He wants to be a legislator in the building that he was sent to prison for physically attacking.
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I strongly disagree. Being convicted of a felony is far easier than you may think. It is still a felony in many states to possess weed, to give only one example. It is too susceptible to being used for political persecution.
In fact, it already is used for that purpose since convicted felons can't vote in most states. The entire purpose of the war on drugs was political persecution.
“You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities, We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
-John Ehrlichman, one of Nixon’s advisors
There aren't laws because we don't want the government to be able to just imprison any opposition. There is however a Constitutional rule about government officials who lead insurrections. I'm excited for all the Constitutionalists to just ignore that though.
you said it yourself. He's FACING criminal charges. He hasn't been convicted of anything. Remember in America you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. You've made up your mind about him, but the law hasn't, yet...
Sounds like you've made up your mind on Trump 😂 just another in denial
IDGAF about Trump to be honest. He's a crook along with the rest of them. The whole government is as fucked as the fanboys that pant over what side is right.