Die steigenden Energiepreise durch den Ukraine-Krieg dürften vor allem der Grund für die Heizungskrise im letzten Jahr gewesen sein. In Milionen Haushalten war es nicht richtig wam.
Thanks Merkel for keeping us dependent on russian gas.
And thanks all the peoplethat voted against efforts to move to renewables, continue to block themand opposed a law that would transition us away from fossil heating.
Also the sale of Oil and Gas heating skyrocketed this year, because of panics that it might be banned soon to install new ones under the new law. The law specified something like 2027, but the German idiot never lets facts get in the way of his Angst and panic pushed by right wing media and politics.
The issue is that the progressive side warned that this will happen and it will get worse as the prices of fossils have to increase. But the conservative majority in Germany wants to get fucked, as long as they can continue fucking the planet, because that is what they always did and identify with.
This artificial panic is for once not about cars, it's about heating. Too many germans think and or have been conditioned to think that the Greens and other environmentalists want them to just shut off their heating and freeze. The network of gas industry lobbyists is strong in germany and successfully installed a "clean-gas"-campaign in the former government and now convinces even a Green industrial minister to install new and very oversized LNG terminals, in part because of the Green-cold scare.
And thanks all the people that voted against efforts to move to renewables, continue to block them and opposed a law that would transition us away from fossil heating.
I believe those people are called "conservatives".
Its true of course that this was merkels fault, but lets be honest, its not like the ampel-coalition would have done anything against it, were it not for the war in ukraine
That's not true. The greens have always pushed for more renewables. The Ukraine war didn't change that, if anything it forced the ampel to build LNG terminals and subsidize gas.
Welt has a right wing bias, but it's fairly reliable with facts. So on direct reports on surveys you can use them as source (just like you can use TAZ for example, just with a left-wing bias).
That's a pointless title. The truth is that 5.5 people claim they didn't heat sufficiently. Whether it was objectively sufficient is a completely different question and going by the actual numbers for usage, households Germans barely reduced their heating. Almost all savings were done by the industry. The the average person in Germany still heats their living room above 20°C.
If you're healthy then going with 17°C indoors isn't actually a problem (I tested that myself last year). Having to wear a second sweater or using a blanket isn't something you should get to complain about when the alternative literally kills people.
That’s exactly the point. Unfortunately some people don’t think very far. Maybe his intentions aren’t even bad, he’s just beyond sloppy and shouldn’t live unsupervised.
Surely it is your landlord that doesn't include the heating in the cost of rent who should get fucked, not your neighbour, a fellow renter who for whatever reason just managed to get a better deal than you did? Perhaps they are abusing it slightly, perhaps they have good reason, like an illness, that justifies them opening their window? Either way, only one of them has any impact on you, so why are you angry at the one that has none?
There is no official proper indoor temperature, but the courts settled at > 20 °C in the day and > 18 °C in the night as "normal". If it's not possible to achieve this temperature, the tenant has the right to withhold part of the rent as long as the heating is not fixed. But tenants are allowed to have their appartment as cold as they like as long as they don't grow mold.
No... the minimum requred temperature for everyone I know complaining about those "the evil government wants to ban heating!"-fairy tales wide spread in Germany is 23°-25°C at least or they will instantly start freezing to their deaths somehow.
You need to put on the heater in many homes because otherwise you will get mold. It depends on the house, of course. Doesn't matter how much you cross ventilate. :(
"could not"... it's past tense, in 2022. (also in past tense in the article linked.)
I expect that as the first panic around energy vs. ru-ua war settled at the end of 2022 / beg. 2023, prices went back to a normal, although probably not pre-war, levels. (at least that's what happened in the netherlands.)
Unfortunately, the people were neither given nor asked for the "sufficient" temperature. While I don't appeciate that climate measures are forced on the poor only, there's many people that waste a lot of energy on heating in the winter. I don't think 22°C+ should be the norm. If you put on some warm clothes, 18°C are absolutely fine. Personally, I like colder temps indoor and I go for 16°C in the winter as long as there's no mold issues.
That assumes everyone experiences heat and coldness the same which isn't the case. I for example need around 20 degrees to feel alright in warm clothing. But on the other hand I am fine in around 43 degrees in the summer and wouldn't use any AC below that.
Also young kids and older people have different needs as well.
If you wanted to regulate this, the time and money needed to care for everyone who get an exception from this rule could likely be used instead to heat everyone's home.
I don't want to regulate heating. I just find it unfortunate that the survey doesn't mention the target temperature that people couldn't afford. If someone says "it's too expensive nowadays to heat my flat to 25°C" it's a completely different story to "I had to live in constant fear of my water pipes bursting from frost".
We have an ongoing climate crisis and at the same time there's an energy crisis due to the war in Russia. I think keeping that in mind, it should be obvious that we have to cut back a bit in terms of comfort.
If it's indeed more than a third of Germany sitting in their flats freezing that'd be dramatic. But my feeling here it's at least partly people whining around about their horrible fate.
Headlines like this are perfect propaganda for pro Russian politics and in a second step may harm the people in Ukraine - which in many places are REALLY suffering from cold temperatures. Because they are cut off the grid and/or because their flats were damaged in battle.
I wish I could do that. Unfortunately my rented flat requires 23°C of heating to prevent mold thanks to bad windows that cannot be fixed due to the house community not wanting to pay for replacing them. And yes I'm practicing proper venting, supported with several devices for timing. I'm so glad I'll be moving out soon.
I think there are also different mentalities. Just last winter, I had a similar discussion, where someone explained to me that the room heating is meant to fully offset the temperature, so he can walk summer and winter in shorts, t-shirt and barefoot. So it's 23°C in winter.
While I'm used to wearing jogging pants and socks indoor during winter, so 18°C is fine for me.
Then again, you also have to adjust for personal preferences, different sex, different heating infrastructure etc. But 23°C to go shorts and barefoot in winter was an extreme reveal to me, that people do something like this as well.
You do understand that this is pretty much the same discussion that was made regarding showers in Germany? When we’ll paid politicians gave advice about personal hygiene with a damp cloth instead of taking regular showers?
For countries with temperate or colder climates, 18 °C has been proposed as a safe and well-balanced indoor temperature to protect the health of general populations during cold seasons.
I actually like colder temperatures, but I’ve noticed that due to the wall structure (or something) the outer walls ‘radiate’ a lot of coldness right onto my bed which is next to said wall. (Of course cold does not radiate, the opposite is true). To keep that within bounds, I’ve found it helpful to keep an awfully high room temp, around 24c.
That and there being serious building structure issues that cause a ton of mold in winter when not heating
I'm not sure how a personal budget app can help you keep track of a Heizkostenverteiler/heating cost allocator. There's many unknowns during the operation time and even the landlord is given a year to crunch the numbers before they bill the tenants.
What is progress is that people on district heating now get their kWh consumption readings every few months.