DOJ prosecutors request gag order after Trump arraignment, citing social media threats
DOJ prosecutors request gag order after Trump arraignment, citing social media threats
Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith appealed to the federal judge overseeing former President Trump’s election fraud case Friday evening to issue a protective order for evidence, citing s…
Trump was going to push and threaten until this happened. It shouldn’t be a surprise after all this time and all his ranting and it should be granted. He’s accused of using his followers to stage an attack; of course he shouldn’t be allowed to again.
I suspect stochastic terrorism is the last card he has to play.
naw. he's going to keep doing it until they lock him up and take his phone away. I say we just skip the end and lock him up until the trial. And then forget where the key was placed.
If he keeps threatening witnesses, the prosecutor, judges, etc and refuses to stop he just might end up in jail. He'll definitely be given more chances to stop than you or I would. (Then again, if you or I were facing these charges, we'd be awaiting trial in a jail cell.) The DC judge doesn't seem like the type to allow shenanigans though. Eventually he'll exhaust her patience and he'll get a "next violation will send you to jail for contempt of court." Trump will inevitably violate this and she might send him to jail.
Of course, the right will yell and scream about how this is "Joe Biden imprisoning his political opponents," ignoring that Trump would have been given multiple warnings to stop his behavior and didn't listen. What happens to Trump shouldn't take "what will the right say" into consideration, though, apart from 1) shoring everything up against any good faith arguments and 2) increasing security against any crazies looking to hit at "those evil liberals that are persecuting God King Trump."
I would put money on Trump violating the terms of this protective order. The question is will the court do what is necessary to prevent him from tainting a jury or tampering with witnesses which he has already warned about during his arraignment?
I want to believe that they will take these threats seriously given his track record of escalating violence when he has been backed into a corner. I just don't think it should require someone else getting injured or killed before they act. Multiple people have already lost their lives over this, and how many more is it going to take before he will be held accountable for that too?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith appealed to the federal judge overseeing former President Trump’s election fraud case Friday evening to issue a protective order for evidence, citing social media threats.
“IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” the former president posted earlier on Truth Social — a move which has already drawn criticism with a former spokesperson for Trump calling it “chilling” and “witness intimidation.”
“Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him,” Smith wrote in the filing.
“If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details — or, for example, grand jury transcripts — obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case,” he added.
Prosecutors claimed the attempts to reach an agreement on a protective order with Trump’s legal team have been fruitless, and have prevented the prosecution from supplying documents to the defense as quickly as they would like.
Trump was indicted on four federal charges Tuesday, alleging that he attempted to orchestrate a fake electoral college vote scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
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Man. What absolute asshat. What I could do with one iota of his confidence and self righteousness
Bravado (!=) Confidence. He is a spineless coward who has thrown every single person in his orbit to the wolves the minute that it suited his interests, insulated him from the consequences of his actions, or protected his fragile ego. I'm sure you're already a better person than Trump could ever hope to be.
Protective order, not a gag order, as I understand it.
He really needs a, "choke this mother fucker out" order.
Should be both, frankly. He has a history of doing shit like this.
It's not a gag order
FTFA:
Editor’s Note: This story has been updated to reflect that the strict order preventing the former president from mentioning details and evidence from the case against him in public is a protective order.
I read this in Arnold's voice
I'm hardly an expert, just someone who loves studying law by myself until I can afford formal law school, and I did a little PR work during my internship, but despise my rudimentary exposure, Trump, his spokespeople, and legal team are approaching these indictments in the completely wrong way. They are too adversial and argumentative. Speaking little and gently would be much more helpful, and maybe even opting for a guilty plea. Trump needs to stop whining about how much he hates being prosecuted and the publicists and attorneys on his payroll need to stop regurgitating his bellyaches. It's not like I think he won't be sentenced for being agreeable. He likely will, but maybe they'd be able to make some compromises. Now I know why Ivanka will not work on her father's current campaign. Her style of arguing is much more reserved, while her two eldest brothers have an aggressive style which seems to be the only one their father seems willing to emulate. I bet Trump did not listen to his daughter's advice often enough. Edited a word.
he WANTS to be a victim. he does these things to be targeted. so he can cry about being victimized.
I think your post is mostly sensible until I reached “guilty plea”. Not going to happen, in any universe. Guy has thinner skin than obese moulting orange lobster.
he is just lining up the next part of his big lie. the next part of his victimisation.
he is a narcissist. so he will never voluntarily admit anything.
I bet Trump did not listen to his daughter’s advice often enough.
I read somewhere that she was one of the voices asking him to call off the Jan 6 rioters (because let's call them what they were; they may have started out protesting, but a bunch of them very much became rioters).
gonna be that guy but as you said you might be moving into education soon - and I used to make the same mistake myself but "remedial" has the same root as "remedy," so a "remedial class" fixes something wrong. "Remedial exposure" doesn't really make sense here as that would be "exposure that fixes something wrong with me" which is not quite what I think you meant
Good call. I think rudimentary is the word I was looking for.
Unless you are wealthy and can get into a top-ten law school, don’t go anywhere near becoming a lawyer.
Half of the profession will be gone by the end of the decade, due to AI tools.
Half of the profession will be gone by the end of the decade, due to AI tools.
Lol bet
If everyone followed this advice no one would pursue any career. All of them are traps in their own way, but it beats being a [job no one wants to do]
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What exactly can they do or enforce
Well if you or I made veiled threats we would be imprisoned while awaiting trial for violating the terms of our release on personal recognizance. My question is what happens if someone else is injured or killed as his violent rhetoric once again escalates. Will he be held to account for that, or will the court act in an attempt to prevent that? It remains to be seen, but I firmly believe that if he causes any more violence they will be forced to detain him in house arrest at a minimum.