Do you have any family members with really weird politics?
For instance, I have an aunt who is definitely MAGA, and is flirting with Q-Anon ideas. However, she has pretty good views on the environment and animal rights. For instance, after travelling to Ecuador, she donates to some Ecuadorian land trust run by locals. However, if you start talking to her about the border or gender, she goes full Orbán.
My dad is a QTard, my brother is a tankie, and I am an anarchist that already got banned from another Chapo sublemmy for pointing out that China has a massive state surveillance and censorship apparatus, and making jokes about how historically tankies are always very nice and respecting to anarchists.
There's no way you can maintain control over your nation and protect your people against CIA / State Department coups without having an extremely large and effective surveillance apparatus.
This is just idealism. If the CIA exists and will without fail try to undermine your socialist project, there is no possible alternative way to run your society. Not until the CIA is gone, or toothless.
Anyway, its not possible to deprogram my Dad. Tried for years. He's never wrong you see, because what about this unrelated complex topic he has no understanding of? He is a master of gish gallop and rhetorical trickery, and when he actually does obviously lose an argument he just laughs.
Tankie brother? Maybe possible to deprogram, but it would be pointless. He is massively neurotic, depressed and highly manipulative. Also very anti social.
Never took any of my advice relating to my decade of experience in the tech industry, never listened to what i was saying about econ or poli sci until a youtuber he watches told him about it, despite my degrees in econ and poli sci. And then he would either gaslight me and tell him that i did not actually tell him what i told him 6 months ago, or he would have a depressive breakdown and need my forgiveness and support everyday for 2 months.
I /could/ easily beat him in a knife fight, but at this point I am content for him to live the rest of his life knowing what he did to me and being a neurotic guilt ridden mess about it, while I sleep soundly on the other side of the county, never speaking to him again.
Fascinating how all you are capable of saying in response to that whole comment is to think I am doing a bit when I mention I have two degrees.
No, its not a bit.
I seriously doubt anyone here in a chapo reddit could actually make a meaningful economic or political argument at this point.
oh sorry did I say reddit? I couldn't tell I wasn't on it what with the utter lack of meaningful or interesting discussion, and preponderance of memey edgy troll posters.
As usual, the cosplaying tankies in a 'leftist' community are amazingly hostile and disrespectful to anyone who says they are an anarchist.
I had been able to post for a week or so on another chapo reddit /until/ it became unable to avoid the astounding hypocrisy and wilful blindness that online MLs have regarding the horrible things done by authoritarian societies in the name of communism.
Good riddance to you idiot trolls.
Its baffling to me that chapo communities are nearly entirely ML edgelords. The chapo crew never suck off and worship Chinese Style 'Communism', but for some reason seemingly all online chapo communities are based around this principle.
I've read like an hour of economic theory in my life and I guarantee you I have a stronger understanding of economics than you do. Your econ degree is a certification that you have spent many hours being mislead lol
unable to avoid the astounding hypocrisy and wilful blindness that online MLs have regarding the horrible things done by authoritarian societies in the name of communism.
Weird, I would have figured your poli sci degree would have taught you about the Red Scare and all the shady things the CIA did,
still here you are parroting the same propaganda from the 50s.
oh sorry did I say reddit?
Damn, can't imagine why your family doesn't like you lmao, especially when you use ablest slurs to refer to them and fantasize about stabbing your obviously majorly depressed bro. (Who wouldn't be depressed lol).
And people think this is a bit because you're the exact kind of clueless neo-lib pretending to be leftist that we parody.
oh sorry did I say reddit? I couldn't tell I wasn't on it what with the utter lack of meaningful or interesting discussion, and preponderance of memey edgy troll posters.
I had been able to post for a week or so on another chapo reddit /until/ it became unable to avoid the astounding hypocrisy and wilful blindness that online MLs have regarding the horrible things done by authoritarian societies in the name of communism.
Name one
I can feel the white noise radiating from here
You have no idea what that word means
Just pure orientalism and white chauvinism drowning out your thoughts like cataracts
Never took any of my advice relating to my decade of experience in the tech industry, never listened to what i was saying about econ or poli sci until a youtuber he watches told him about it, despite my degrees in econ and poli sci.
He is a friendless neurotic depressed drug addict who unironically still loves South Park and Rick and Morty. He still plays every Pokemon game that comes out despite being in his 30s, is terrified, literally terrified of any game with direct online contact with another player, oh right, and lied to T Mobile to engage the parental control mode on my phone and stalk me in his car and on foot, and then lied about doing that to the rest of my family.
Its fitting for a tankie to spy on his brother and lie about it though, so points for being true to form.
"Omg guys my 30+ friend played a game with some color in it, I'm shidding and farding in fear rn. Also saw a dude in his 50s play with a model train set, DISGUSTING!!!!"
I get what you're saying about the anarchists, but I have to point out that anarchism is a threat both to capitalist and socialist states from definition. They don't have to be supressed for no reason, but if they're organised and planning to do actual revolutionary action then a state has to supress them as with any other inside threat. Socialism is still a nessecary intermediate step to communism that requires a state to defend the interests of the working class until the classes fade away and a supressing mechanism such as a state would probably be unneeded at that point.
As of China, I'll say that westerners are surveilled to an insane degree in the US and to a lesser degree in Europe too. I don't like being surveilled in either case, but this is also not an inherent aspect of socialism as opposed to capitalism, it's an inherent aspect of the state.
I agree with you that the logic of a state necessitates its survival over any principles it purports to uphold.
And yes, of course Western societies have terrible surveillance apparatuses as well.
Kind of all goes back to the whole 'being critical of the concept of a state because it always has to maintain its own stability and existence over all other objectives' thing.