Putin calls out Carlson applied to CIA "back in the day"
Putin calls out Carlson applied to CIA "back in the day"
I wonder how far did Carlson's soul went during the seconds after it.
Also, Hasan's reaction
Ugh...sorry but i tried listening to ten minutes of that and i immediately remembered why i stopped watching him. He is such a lib and his audience is even worse. It's like they have the attention span of a five year old and are physically allergic to learning history. No, Hasan, Putin is not spending 30 min giving you a history lecture because that history (at least the pre-21st century history) somehow directly justifies the actions he is taking, that is not the argument at all. He is doing it to give you context and educate you because you and most of your audience are historically illiterate ignorants with zero knowledge about the background of a region of the world where you now think you are qualified to comment on.
From Twitter, this post sums it up best:
"Westoids complaining about Putin's interview being too pedantic have an inflated sense of self-worth: they assume the interview is primarily designed to appeal to them. Little do they know the West has become so irrelevant that it's no longer even necessarily the chief intended audience for Putin's transmissions. For instance, many of Putin's statements go viral in China, generating hundreds of millions or even billions of views/impressions on sites like Weibo, vastly larger engagements than the entire population of most of the West combined. In the east, where the citizenry is learned, historically-literate, etc., Putin's longueurs are actually appreciated, dissected, and discussed. This is particularly the case in China, where the majority of people are not only history buffs, but have a sacred respect for history and tradition.
In the West, Putin's words may fall on deaf ears and be drowned out by illiterate popculture noise, but the West is no longer relevant to the world. In other places, Putin's words will reverberate, consummating their intended effects."
I also disagree with the idea that this interview was directed at Chinese people rather than Trumpist folks. Lots of of US reactionaries have a positive opinion of Putin (often for reactionary reasons), but interviewing him as a show of "freedom of speech" gets bonus points for Republicans for "triggering the libs" who think he is the second coming of Hitler. But they'd also platform actual Hitler if given the chance.
But I need to enthusiastically agree that twitch reaction streamers like Hasan are unbearable to me. It might be a generational thing, but they seem like Gen Z's version of late night show hosts: pretend to be intelligent and informative while also only serving to crack dumb jokes.
From the first couple of minutes of the react, I don't see any reason anybody would gain anything from watching this with the extra hour and a half to just watching the original video. Right away gives an impression that he doesn't give the whole political situation neither the thought nor the seriousness it requires, and that he doesn't really understand what's being said. And I say that as somebody who doesn't really study much Russia.
It's longer and worse, and a proletarian's time is their source of life.
The way i read that is that Putin, not Carlson, meant it to appeal less to a Western and more to a global south (and Russian) audience. It's not so much how Tucker handled the interview but how Putin chose to engage.
I mean obviously Carlson indended it for a domestic conservative audience in the US, but frankly this is above their intellectual level and most of them are likely to check out after ten minutes of Putin not repeating their favorite talking points about Biden's dementia, liberals, LGBT and the globalists. I'm sure Carlson hoped for something different as well; something that would play better with his conservative base. You could see his frustration throughout the interview at Putin refusing to give him what he wanted and instead engaging in this long winded historical exposition.
So while it was definitely not the intention on Tucker's part, the objective result will be that this will reach more the audience in the global south than western reactionaries. And although Putin could easily have given him more of the reactionary red meat that he was looking for, i think he recognizes that it is pointless to pander to the western conservative audience since at the end of the day the political elites on both sides will continue to pursue the same aggressively anti-Russian course regardless how sympathetic the average chud is to Russia.
Instead he hijacked Tucker's platform and just did his usual thing which he knows plays well with the more historically literate and intellectually engaged Russian and Chinese audiences. This doesn't mean he didn't bring up any of the reactionary talking points Carlson was looking to get - after all, unfortunately that kind of talk also finds some appeal in the global south, and definitely in Russia - but in proportion to the amount of time he spent on history both recent and less so, i think a lot of Tucker's chud fans were pretty disappointed/bored.
As for the streamer thing, i think you've basically summed it up. I have nothing more to add.
If the chuds were the target audience of the long form history lecture putin is not nearly as clever as people have made him out to be.
You want enormously racist memes with zero connection to reality that make up something for them to get mad at. If you try to actually explain sonething to them they're gonna get mad at you. It's literally "I don't understand what you're saying and I'm choosing to interpret that as disrespect." That was supposed to be a joke but it's the modern conservative movement smdustilled into one sentence.
I really really doubt he thought he was going to actually teach them anything.
It's hilarious because if I told libs to watch the final epsiode ONLY of any show, it would rightfully be called out as ridiculous. Yet when it comes to real world historical context (not even getting into the morality of it), libs think the opposite.
Literally most series are like "last time on this show...."
Also yes, that's to be expected from Hasan and his audience. He is not gonna make money without appealing to western chauvinism (although I have seen a few exceptions). It's not stupidity, he is giving the audience what they want.
Isn't it crazy how "this was our land for thousands of years until the Westoids broke their promises and ratfucked us out of it" reverberates so well in so much of the global south?
Must be a coincidence...
I have to disagree that Putin was speaking to Chinese citizens in the interview. He was speaking to the rightwing audience of Carlson, and general Western audiences.
No chance, he wouldn't have opened with an hour of Russian and Ukrainian history if he intended to appeal to Western Chuds. He would have been ranting about globalists and LGBTQ+ and attacks on religion right off the bat.
Putin isn't stupid and he knows how to speak to different audiences. It's very obvious he doesn't care what Western Chuds think anymore. Literally gives 0 shits.
I have stupidly linked Hasan thinking of Hakim. Sorry about the mistake!
Yes I'm sure Putin is being interviewed with the goal to go viral in China where they truly appreciate his stature as an academic.
It makes a lot of sense when you remove the pop noise from your brain and look at it embracing the true refined complexity of the events at play.
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tier State Department opinions commenting from an instance called Feddit.If you made this up, I'd call it too on the nose.
You may be missing the significance of using one specific thing as an example of a general thing.
Are we the vampires in this metaphor? That's p cool
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