Biden vs. Trump: Do young climate voters care? The president who signed the biggest climate law in U.S. history has also angered environmentalists by approving fossil fuel projects.
Biden vs. Trump: Do young climate voters care? The president who signed the biggest climate law in U.S. history has also angered environmentalists by approving fossil fuel projects.
The president who signed the biggest climate law in U.S. history has also angered environmentalists by approving fossil fuel projects. Now, the head of one group says, "I’m worried about getting climate activists back."
To be clear: there's a night-and-day difference between Biden and Trump, with the former having actually taking significant action, and being likely to take more if reelected. Trump will look to maximize both extraction and consumption of fossil fuels in a way that Biden simply didn't and won't.
If you think there is any comparison here in terms of magnitude, you should probably go have your head checked.
Agreed, but magnitude doesn't matter when the climate crisis is a binary outcome. Either we stop it or we don't. Neither candidate is willing to take the action needed to treat the climate crisis like the existential threat that it is.
Pretty sure it's not a binary outcome. We already have warming at levels that is detrimental, and we're not going to stop it. All we have left is mitigating actions.
But it's not a binary "we're fucked" or "we're fine", it's an ever worsening gradient of terrible conditions. Even within that, how many people get the brunt of it depends on the extent of the damage.
there's a night-and-day difference between Biden and Trump, with the former having actually taking significant action
I would personally define the word "significant" in such a way that excludes actors who do not take action which meaningfully prevents or lowers the risks of the upcoming climate apocalypse. Biden has not done this IMO. He has done some things which are okay for the environment, but just as many that worsen the situation. At the end of the day, both candidates are content to make policy which does not stop the world from boiling. It is counterproductive to pretend otherwise.
You're correct. Anyone spinning the "lesser of two evils" about climate change does not understand the risks. Inaction today will kill millions. Biden's half-measures are fundamentally inadequate, and as you said, pretending otherwise is delusion or malice.
Climate change is the most severe threat to the safety of everyone everywhere. To treat it with anything other than total urgency is to promote harm. If you cannot find it in you to call out the short fall of the Democratic party on this issue you are part of the problem.
No one government can do enough. He's shifted the emissions trajectory of the US in a meaningful way. That's enough to earn my vote when the alternative is so much worse
He's shifted the emissions trajectory of the US in a meaningful way
That's simply not true. Biden doesn't give a shit. He'll be dead before the climate apocalypse occurs, and everyone he works with is paid by big oil to not go "too far" with environmental regulations. Sure he makes it look like he's making a difference, but the fossil fuel lobby has thus far been succesful in preventing any major countries from taking significant action on climate change.
Don't believe me? Here's how world governments are doing at regulating climate change:
You really think Biden, who is fundamentally the same ideology as all previous Democrat presidents, is going to do anything different? It's worth noting Biden was present at the Paris agreement and pushed for weaker language in the agreement to weasel out of the US needing to take any significant action.
To be clear, I think obviously people should vote for him given the alternative. But only because America is a profoundly broken country and that senile old coot is the best option available. I'm just deeply suspect of anyone who says that Biden is actually doing good on the climate, since it's obvious to me that he really isn't.
At the end of the day, both candidates are content to make policy which does not stop the world from boiling. It is counterproductive to pretend otherwise.
Ah, another "they're both the same" argument that ignores reality. Trump is no friend to the environment and is actively seeking to destroy it for profit. "Drill, baby, drill" is something he shouts all the time. At least Biden has done something and acknowledges climate change.
Get out of here with your bad propaganda.
They are not the same, they are both wholly inadequate positions.
If we are on a sinking ship and one person says, ill kill everyone and take the lifeboat for myself and someone else says, no lest kill 95% of everyone so that those who live wont be cramped neither is good enough. Sometimes choices should be made as a spectrum, sometimes choices should be made as a binary choice.
If you can't see how dangerous both parties actions are on climate change you do not understand the danger. If you do understand then you are writing in malice.
the us has never made more oil than under biden
Why are you bringing up Trump when my comment is about Biden not taking "significant action"? Trump is irrelevant to my comment.
All true. But the unfortunate political realities the Democrats are facing seem to be that voters just don't care enough so it's political suicide to take strong action against climate change.
If voters actually cared about climate change, then it would be a major part of the platform. But there's a huge swath of the population that only cares insofar as it doesn't inconvenience them, or who have been brainwashed into believing it's a "Leftist Conspiracy" while completely missing that the QAnon memes they got their "facts" from is literally a conspiracy.
We're fucked. Biden doesn't have the political strength to take any political risks. We're seeing the same in Canada, with Trudeau not having the political capital for anything that could lose ground to the Canadian Conservative Party (which is currently polling as over 99% likely to get a majority government if there's no change in the next 1½ years).
I don't know how we can de-radicalize the Christofascist Right, but we're fucked until we figure it out.
My problem with the these lessor of two evils party liners is that they have no exit strategy or long term vision. It’s the same thing every two years as things steadily worsen overall. Certainly no room in their worldview to respond to climate change effectively or efficiently.
I hate reading articles like this. Sure we need to vote for the lesser of two evils. But we really need to get into more of an "emergency power dictatorship" mode. Maybe like making large parts of the economy planned economy under the rule of some radical technocrats. Massive wealth redistribution. But still maintain democracy for other areas.
And this would need to happen globally. Of course it won't because the forces arrayed against it have far more money and have far better PR and institutional and ideological support.
But maybe we'll somehow muddle through. Maybe we'll somehow learn from all the death and destruction that we can't afford to be this stupid on a global level.
I was against drilling until Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia produces 10% of the global oil supply, so we can't really sanction them without impacting the global economy. We've been draining our strategic petroleum reserves since the war started, and while we might have enough saved up to get through the current crisis, I wouldn't blame the white house for wanting to increase domestic supply as a contingency - especially if this turns out to be just the first domino in a global conflict.
A 10% decline in global oil consumption would be awesome. However to be realistic Russia consumes a lot of oil itself and sanctions do not cut out all oil exports. They certainly did not for Iran and Venezuela. Funnily enough 10% of oil consumption are US cars. So a ban of combustion engine car sales in the US would have solved that as well. With the EU and other allies joining, that would even be fast enough to actually beat new oil drilling in the US.
Since 2020, we've been independent of Russia https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php
But I definitely agree, worldwide it's not free of Russia.