/r/AccidentalRenaissance moderators have all resigned. The subreddit has permanently shut down and moved to Lemmy.
/r/AccidentalRenaissance moderators have all resigned. The subreddit has permanently shut down and moved to Lemmy.
AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit's unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!
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Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I'm going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
I was thinking the same thing, it's counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
It's kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
We're going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That's just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there's little point to complaining about it.
Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It's hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don't love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what's being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn't think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.
What's wrong with subscribing to both? Then you'd have both in your feed; you wouldn't have to go anywhere.
But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn't expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.
I'm assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn't sub to both. Unless there's like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I'm fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I'm wrong
They aren't connected except that the same mods run them. We don't, or haven't so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn't be an issue.
And then we're also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.
it's counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.
I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have "super communities" or "sub-federation," where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.
Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.
Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you'd subscribe to "AccidentalRenaissance" and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.
Hope that happens.
But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit
It's a good idea actually and I could see maybe having some different mods and/or handing over one to someone else at some point.
Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that's not going to happen.
And I didn't think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one's down is good.
It's "broken by design."
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I got a response from them on Reddit:
We didn't know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn't in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we'll re-evaluate.
That makes a lot of sense.
I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I'm not sure why kbin isn't more popular, but I'm sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it's simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.
It also doesn't have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren't likely to target it. Though I've personally been using a browser cause I haven't found any apps to be good enough yet.
Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don't show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn't work if your comment wasn't on the first page of comments.
It's still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?
But it's a much much newer instance. We'll see, but I think it has potential.
I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.
From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It's still an early beta. I'm not sure who designed Lemmy's ui but it could use some spit polish.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it's a separate platform entirely, I think it's just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they've set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
Now setting up separate user accounts isn’t a terrible idea…
Don't think you should divine the community though, right?
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it's a separate platform entirely
They might as well be, honestly.
Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
Maybe they didn't realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.
There's a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren't 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.
I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.
They're dividing up their user base, and they're going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they'll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.
Well, more power to them. I've subbed to the Lemmy version at least.
I'm sure eventually there'll be a means to merge them at the client end.
The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user's device, it would be transparent to the user. We're just not there yet.
I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It's annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.
Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn't feel like the same degree.
I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each "type" and it's not always obvious which one that is.
I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin
Duplicate posts can be filtered at the client level too.
Why not both? I like twice the content.
It's not going to be twice the content though. It's either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there's a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
I've signed up and think I'll be using both. I don't see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy's stories not updating so I'll switch to KBin and see what's going on.
It's no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
I like choice.
Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There's just no reason to have 2 communities.
We weren't sure which to go with; also... there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.
So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like... squabbles too?) (I should check that...) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.