Thunderbird goes from DEB to snap in Ubuntu 24.04
Thunderbird goes from DEB to snap in Ubuntu 24.04
The open secret has been confirmed: Thunderbird will be offered as a snap package in Ubuntu 24.04 when its stable version arrives.
Fortunately Linux Mint will continue to package it as a deb.
they even purposely disable snaps by default.
April Fools?
If only. It’d be a real April fool’s if Canonical announced they were abandoning snap and throwing their supory behind flatpak.
Apt. Its fucking apt. Always has been. Always will be.
One could only wish
This thread is full of wonderful workarounds. It reads just like windows forums.
Just stop using canonicals crap.
I don't use Ubuntu but I threw it on a laptop to give to my dad.
He's a very basic tech user he basically needed a web browser and somewhere to backup/view his photos off his phone, And even he ran into issue with snaps!
I tried to switch everything over to flatpak but the OS just kept pushing back trying to reinstall SnapD until I ran some script off Github, It's the exact "I know better than you" bullshit that pushed me away from Windows.
If you really want everything to go on flatpak why not just use Debian + GNOME? No bullshit and you'll be able to have flathub inside the GNOME software "store".
I didn't want to reinstall the whole OS on my Dads laptop since he already has all his stuff on it.
But I'll probably go Debian if he ever lets me do it.
Boy am I glad I put my dad on Mint.
Install Flatpak and the gnome plugin and be done with Snap.
the ppa for 24.04 is live and you can still deb version of the app on it. by type: cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
To prevent repository packages from triggering the installation of Snap,
this file forbids snapd from being installed by APT.
For more information: https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html
Package: snapd Pin: release a=* Pin-Priority: -10 EOF Change the /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozilla Package: * Pin: origin packages.mozilla.org Pin-Priority: 1000
Package: Thunderbird* Pin: release o=Ubuntu Pin-Priority: -1
you can grab the ppa and no more snap
Then I'll be on the last deb until it no longer works. I'm not going down the proprietary snap route.
Who cares?
Ubuntu is a shell of what it once was. They're not going to make Snap optional, they need to justify its existence by releasing everything as snaps with no alternative so you have to use it.
Or, just use Debian if you like Debian-style distros?
Or, wait for it - this is gonna sound a bit radical but hear me out - give Fedora a try? Flatpak instead and unlike Debian Stable has packages from this century
Inb4 btw I use Arch
like Debian Stable has packages from this century
You can set up Debian 12 to use Flatpak. I use it and it works well.
Everything is going to snap in Ubuntu. It's why I don't use it 🤷
It even recently made my life very difficult because something I did recently only worked on chromium non-snap, but ubuntu provides no easy way to use the non-snap version. Most frustrating experience on that distro ever. Unfortunately, it can't be replaced as it's on a relative's computer...I run Ubuntu on my home servers, simply because I always used it, resources and help are plentiful and it's well documented. I thought.
Took me a while to realize that after moving to a new machine and upgrading to 22.04 docker was installed as a fucking snap and a bunch of my apps didn't work because of that. I got it all running now, but every VM and LXC I'll install going forward will be running Debian instead. Fuck this annoying shit.
Edit: Or I might try out Mint Mate, since it's what I know best (aka Ubuntu) without snaps. What would you guys recommend for a basic homelab?
you can still use chromium no snap https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386738/how-to-install-chromium-from-the-linux-mint-repositories-in-ubuntu
Yeah, I was sitting next to the laptop's owner who was in a hurry and already huffing and puffing. Didn't want to mess up their system by pinning stuff and installing certs or running into issues with "repository not found" issues. In the end, switching to another computer was much faster.
Ugh had a similar experience at work related to the chromium package. In our case it had to do with the
arm64build of chromium in an environment that can't run snaps (docker), so we were pretty much entirely without a solution.
It can then go from a snap to a superior flatpak real quick.
Thunderbird on Flathub is already an official package.
You mean apt?
Serious question, genuinely curious; Beyond more recent package versions, why do people choose Ubuntu over plain Debian? Debian has been exceptionally stable for me, pushes no proprietary BS, and is as easy to intall and setup as any other distro I've used. Plus, for the average computer user, all the packages are recent enough that things should work as expected.
Because it looks nicer and has more polish for desktop. Silent grub, for example.
I think looking nicer is very subjectve. I personally prefer default Gnome over Ubuntu's tweaks. However silent grub makes complete sense. Word vomit every boot does look very hack-ish if you arent used to it.
because I googled what distro to use and ubuntu was the one I picked randomly and I can't be fucked to change it
I assume I am a prototypical user in that regard.
I tried Debian recently (with Cinnamon, since I don't like Gnome), but I found it was lacking some polish and niceties that I get from Linux Mint. I do use LMDE instead of the Ubuntu base though.
Totally understandable, QOL and creature comforts are important. To be fair, I'm personally the type of user who prefers a spartan system that I can then tailor to my needs, rather than lots of features OOTB. To each their own I suppose.
The same reason people buy the cereal their grocer places at eye-level, and buy their cars from the stealer: marketing
HA HA, THIS FUCKING SUCKS 😭
Mint 22 is set to include the Thunderbird DEB package...
Any app that can be sandboxed, should. Especially apps that are parsing random data from the internet.
I stand corrected. All programs should have access to anything, anywhere, and be linked to liblzma just in case if some arbitrary file is compressed. Thank you for setting me straight.
Surprised no one.
They got paid by canonical or something?
Just use Betterbird?
Betterbird is the solution. It just works and the system tray icon is a welcome addition. No more needing to use Birdtray for that.
Initially I followed this route to avoid Snap version provided by Ubuntu.
Later I just downloaded Tar package from Mozilla, and update it manually.
In short, I just abandoned deb/snap/flatpak altogether.