Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
The comments by Khalil al-Hayya came amid a stalemate in months of cease-fire talks. But it's unlikely Israel would consider such a scenario.
A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
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At some point you might learn that lesson yourself.
Go find out what the ANC did in South Africa to free themself from their colonizers. Go find out how the Haitans rebelled against their colonizers. Go learn how the American Natives fought back against their colonizers.
Hamas colonial resistance was probably one of the most targeted in all of history with a 33%+ soldier kill rate. But of course nothing is good enough for those that demand absolute perfection from angry people in a concentration camp.
Like the other user said, the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa only became successful after it abandoned violent resistance - and citing Haiti as an aspirational example is downright hysterical.
There's also a massive difference between demanding outright perfection and not applauding people who behead Asian guest workers (who, as I'm sure you are aware, but equally willing to ignore, are not "evil Zionist colonizers") with a rusty gardening hoe while live-streaming the torture-murder on the Internet. Coincidentally, you seem to have no trouble with demanding outright perfection from the IDF, who, by the way, has a roughly similar soldier kill rate in this conflict according to most estimates - but I bet you are not willing to applaud them for that.
As for what Gaza actually was, here's what this supposed "concentration camp" looked like before the war:
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The other user got history completely wrong. As do you. Consider reading about Apartheid South Africa and Mandela first. Mandela was very violent near the end.
Telling lies again? This sounds exactly like the Hamas beheads babies story. Israeli propaganda became so lazy.
Fuck Hamas and what they did, but compared to the genocidal Israelis they are saints and I’m tired of reading all these unproven horror stories of what Hamas allegedly did while Israel is literally using an AI to murder children.
I've watched that beheading and worse things. I wish I hadn't. Imagine having the audacity of calling Hamas saints by comparison. What a despicable and inane thing to do.
And surely you can post a link to it because surely it exists, like all the evidence against the UNRWA members being Hamas, and the systematic gang raping that allegedly happened on October 7, and the Palestinians bombing their own hospitals, etc. etc.
I’m so tired of this Zionist tactics of making up shit and then not being able to come up with evidence, because how can there be evidence if you made that shit up.
The ANC in South Africa was largely ineffective. Mandela specifically is a great example of how people can get much more done as moderates than violent radicals. He would never see any sort of true progress until after his imprisonment and subsequent putting down of arms.
That's not a clean experiment. Moderation gives you nothing when the oppressing side knows you can't do violence.
The only thing that kept the apartheid gov in place was US and British support. There's a reason the Berlin wall was a big deal for SA. Similarly, Israel's current existence as a colonist state and the dominant power in the middle east is only possible because of daddy America. If not for our support (and emigration, many settlers are from the US) they would likely cave to international and internal pressures (like in Argentina, Chile, South Africa, and others)
I hope that Joe can finally get the balls to do it. People are pissed off and he's going to lose the election if he doesn't do something, which is a shame as his government isn't great but it has been a lot better than many previous ones, and especially has done a lot concerning monopolies (insofar as taking them to court). Also though I don't want to live in a fascist shithole under Trump.
For Israel - maybe. I'm not sure it's possible to drop such amounts of support and cooperation, likely with enormous volumes of defense-related corruption involved too. There'll be assassinations to not allow that to happen.
I'm just saying that in most cases of oppression over the world moderation without potential for violence will just get you imprisoned and possibly killed.
I recommend reading about the ANC before posting about it because the literal opposite happened. You got the American fairy tale propaganda version.
What really happened is that after his imprisonment for peaceful protesting, Nelson Mandela realized that Apartheid Nazis don't listen to words so he started leading a violent resistance and got put on the American terror watch list.
Nelson Mandela’s legacy: As a leader, he was willing to use violence
To many South Africans, particularly within the African National Congress, Mandela was a great man partly because of his willingness to use violence, not in spite of it.
Many believe apartheid would have endured much longer if he hadn’t rebelled and overturned the ANC’s long-standing nonviolence policy.
You are talking about young Mandela. He went to prison for 20 years and changed his mind about a lot of things.
It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/658964
Hamas is not a protest organization. They pick up the gun first, not last. They have direct connections to Iran and Syria, who could put more diplomatic pressure in favor of a peaceful solution. But none of them want that.
They want to kill for revenge and domestic support and personal gain. Someone like that will never make peace. Just like Netanyahu.
Hamas is not a protest organization. They pick up the gun first, not last.
If you just ignore the peaceful Great March of Return your argument makes sense
Too bad that Hamas did do a peaceful march first, probably knowing that israel would never respond to it. But they still did it. Why? o cover themselves against baseless accusations like those of yourself that would bring up that "they should have tried something peaceful first".
Hamas did a peaceful protest. Israel massacred them.
Someone like that will never make peace.
You can scroll up and read this article. It says Hamas wants peace. Who doesn't want peace? Israel.
Hamas colonial resistance was probably one of the most targeted in all of history with a 33%+ soldier kill rate. But of course nothing is good enough for those that demand absolute perfection from angry people in a concentration camp.
What the fuck
When you are so disconnected from reality that the obvious and easily fact check-able truth becomes a "wtf moment".
Do you know what the native Americans did to American Colonists?
You have fun with your 66% civilian murder rate. Literally worse than the US carpet bombing Japan into oblivion, but I'm sure Hamas soldiers on the ground are way less capable of discerning between civilian and soldier than WW2 pilots literally aiming for civilians.
Can you cite a source for that claim?
Here's a fun recent one of America having a 300% higher civilian casualty rate than Hamas:
Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target - U.S. drone strikes have killed scores of civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
Here's the UN in 2022:
Can you cite a source for that claim?
For the bombings in WW2 having a better soldier-civilian kill ratio than Hamas?
Here’s a fun recent one of America having a 300% higher civilian casualty rate than Hamas:
Are you fucking kidding me? If you go to the actual source, the Intercept (not Huffpo) cites an example in which 35 deaths out of 200 were of targets during Operation Haymaker - Operation Haymaker primarily targeted Taliban posts, not some fuckers in the streets, and engaged targets of opportunity during many of the strikes. Independent sources often point out that the civilian casualty figures of drone strikes are off by almost an order of magnitude from what the US government claims. That is to say, 15-20% instead of .2%-2%
Which is worse?
1 civilian killed for every 4 soldiers killed?
Or 2 civilians killed for every 1 soldier killed?
Must be the one that says "Hamas good!" and the appropriate buzzwords du jour.
Here’s the UN in 2022:
Ninety Per Cent of War-Time Casualties Are Civilians
That's not even fucking close to being relevant to the civilian casualty ratio of a military force, unless you think fucking Israel is more moral than the average war right fucking now.
I have no idea what your comment is even supposed to mean. Are you claiming Huffpost and the UN are all lying?
Do you think israel has a better civilian casualty ratio than Hamas when >70% of the people israel kills are women and children?
Going to be hard to beat Hamas on the civilian casualty front when literally every single male israel kills would need to be Hamas to have the same civilian casualty ratio as Hamas
If you want to ramble on without bothering to read my points, you'll have to do it without me.
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