Proton Pass for Linux

If we didn't already have the perfect option that is bitwarden I would probably go for this. But there's really no reason to switch away from bitwarden to this. It's open source, gets regularly publicly audited, and nothing ever leaves your device unencrypted. So even if they had their data center broken into and all machines stolen physically I wouldn't have to worry about my passwords
- Bitwarden is too functional and too affordable for me to really consider moving.
- Does the creative commons licence at the end of every comment really do anything? Are you going to do anything about it if someone doesn't respect the permissions you've laid out?
  
  You can just use SimpleLogin or addy.io for that. Both even have Bitwarden integration.
  
  To add onto what Andromxda said, SimpleLogin is included with your Proton account (might be paid accounts only).
  Use it with a custom domain - it's amazing and if Proton Mail ever shuts down you won't have to migrate any of your logins because they're already on your own domain.
  
  What does Proton Pass have to do with Proton Mail that it can add 10 free mail aliases?

- I can't wait for Proton to ship Drive for Linux just so we can get a different complaint as the top comment on every Proton thread
- The lack of caldav is really killing me
- And proton mail still isn't on f-droid 😴 Their focus is all over the place.
  Anti Commercial-AI license
  
  F-droid... We still can't schedule send emails on Android. The new Android app isn't any better. There's a very long way to go.
- This is the only thing I want from Proton and they released another bitwarden alike.
- That's the real sticking point for me, it is a problem for my desire to transition to Linux as a daily driver.
- Seriously... I would rather not have to pay for Filen on top of my Proton business sub.
- There are still third party apps

I'll stick with KeePassXC but I'm still very happy to see them remembering about Linux. I hope Drive will be next, this is something I'm really waiting for.

Damn, I thought for some unknown ungodly reason Valve implemented something like game pass for Proton.
- Shhhhh, don't give them ideas!

I'm very skeptical about online cloud-based password managers. I don't trust that at all. I still prefer to use a local off-line password manager like KeePassXC.
- Since the vault is end-to-end encrypted, it shouldn’t matter where it is hosted, even if it is in the cloud. Here is what a security researcher and a password cracker Jeremy M. Gosney has said about this after the LastPass incident.
  ”Is the cloud the problem? No. The vast majority of issues LastPass has had have nothing to do with the fact that it is a cloud-based solution. Further, consider the fact that the threat model for a cloud-based password management solution should start with the vault being compromised. In fact, if password management is done correctly, I should be able to host my vault anywhere, even openly downloadable (open S3 bucket, unauthenticated HTTPS, etc.) without concern. I wouldn't do that, of course, but the point is the vault should be just that -- a vault, not a lockbox.”
- What is your threatmodel here?
  The problem for me with completely self hosting it is that it'll be relatively hard to get my backup, availability and sync requirements satisfied without a lot of effort.
  Whereas I trust encryption in theory enough to hand my encrypted data to anyone. If the implementation is properly audited then I also trust that.
  Most of my passwords are for accounts with 2fa anyway so even if both the storage leak and the encryption turn out to be subpar my threatmodel is still not violated.
- If self-hosting makes you feel better about it, Vaultwarden exists for the Bitwarden client.
- I'm using both. Mainly I use KeepassXC for most stuff (including my Proton account) because aside from the other security things it offers (like encrypting the database with a keyfile and challenge response), it also gives me a choice to add files into my password entry
  I just use Proton Pass because of its easier access to email aliasing and occasionally sharing of sensitive data by sharing them a separate vault
  
  Same here, I use both KeePassXC and Bitwarden. But I dont store heavily sensitive passwords on Bitwarden, like my email passwords, encryption retrieval keys, etc.

How is this better than the alternatives?
- It‘s probably not but if you are in their ecosystem you might as well use it.
  
  An alternative is to keep your eggs somewhat separated so that you don't end up in a locked in situation if their services deteriorate over the years, giving you an easier escape in that scenario.
  
  I'm in their ecosystem but specifically don't use it, as it seems extraordinarily unsafe to put my passwords behind the same authentication that I use just to check my email.
- If you have a paid plan you can generate SimpleLogin aliases directly when generating a login on a webpage. It's a very nice feature.
  
  Bitwarden also integrates SimpleLogin for one-click alias generation.
- One thing protonpass does better then the competition is exporting your passkeys that is generated within it. AFAIK, bitwarden supports creating and authenticating with passkeys, but you cannot export them.

What I like about Proton Pass is the aliases for your email, they are one of the neatest features I have seen in the last time, even firefox now has that feature
- Firefox was first
  
  oh ok, didn't know. still, all I wanted to say is it's a cool feature. and Proton has up to 10, firefox up to 5 I think.
- What is this? What's an alias for email?
  
  it's an email generated by a service like Firefox Relay, Proton Pass or Simple Login, etc, connected to your email (only on the receiving part) used as a way to hide and protect your actual email from spam when registering to anything. That way, this alias email redirects incoming mail to your real email, and when you receive spam, or something you don't want in your Inbox, you just deactivate that alias.
- Proton provides a SimpleLogin account, which is integrated with Bitwarden, so you can get the same functionality directly with Bitwarden too.
- Is that different from SimpleLogin?
  I have Proton Premium so I use SimpleLogin, but since I already have BitWarden I skip on Pass. Just curious if it's worth checking out for that.
  
  I think Proton bought SimpleLogin or something. It's very similar, I use both to have more free aliases

Electron?
- This is all I want to know. If yes, I'll pass.

Still no plans/pricing for Proton Pass Family (only the full proton suite).
Proton is missing many users with this simple lack of effort; not everyone wants drive, vpn, etc.
Some folks just want a password manager for the immediate and extended family; and often times we are willing to just pay a few bucks extra per month and not worry about helping these people after they get hacked, due to terrible passwords.
- Well,.Bitwarden is here for you. You can even self host Bitwarden and skip fees all together if you feel so inclined at some point.
  
  I find password sharing between family or others poor on bitwarden. It segments all the password vaults and then defaults all new into one. Very hard to change. It would be better to be able to choose zones or similar for sharing so I could have a personal vault, a family vault and a work vault and able to access all seamlessly. I would own all but be able to share as appropriate.
  While this is possible to do its not seamless.

As scientists, we know that transparency and peer review lead to better security.
What? App developers are scientists now?
I know this originally came from CERN, but I find it hard to believe those same folks are working on this now.
- While I don't particularly agree with the sentiment, those in the field of Computer Science could be argued to be "scientists", though often not in the classical sense. As a Computer Science major myself, I would never consider myself a "scientist" in the classical definition of the term. Those involved in actual research, yes, though that does not describe me despite the title of my Bachelor's. I would consider those involved in the theoretical side of Computer Science to be more akin to mathematicians, as most of the theory is based in mathematical proofs and models (take for instance the field describing formal computational models as a means to defining how computers operate, and how effective specific algorithms are in that context). Though I could understand the argument that those involved heavily in the theoretical side of Computer Science may be considered scientists, given their similarity to theoretical physicists. In that sense, there is also active experimentation to test hypotheses about algorithmic runtime. It's a fascinating niche of Computer Science that I studied briefly in university, but likely will not be pursuing in the future.
  Generally those involved with active development of commercial software don't fit into that category, though. It's very much a question of semantics.
  
  I'd never admit it irl or to anyone I know because it's petty. But it bothers me when cs people refer to themselves as engineers.
  Referring to themselves as scientists would seriously be a step past that.

The last big feature missing for me now is support for SSH keys with an SSH agent. This is such a great feature of 1Password and I use it daily. Can't switch before that, even though Proton Pass is already included in my Proton subscription.
- Why switch from 1Password? One less subscription? Suspicion about 1Password enshitification? Something else?
  
  I think 1Password is great. The best password manager for me by a long shot.
  Proton Pass is lacking features I need/want and the UX is still superior with 1Password for now, but should Proton Pass catch up, I'll happily save some money, sure.

If it's as bad as their VPN app for Linux hard pass.
- Just use wireguard directly, no need for an app
  
  I do use wireguard. Mostly because the proton app for linux is so bad.
  Look into how they have you setup port forwarding on linux using the official app. They want you to open a terminal and keep a looped script running as long as you are using it.
  Not only that but when I was testing it the script would start erroring out after about 5 min requiring a restart.

Gives me hope for a proton drive app. As soon as that's available and viable I'll be able to drop my mega subscription.

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