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Daily Discussion Thread: 🍲 ☕🍵 Tuesday, June 25, 2024
  • I'd take a photo of the sky here, but I think I'd be unpopular. 😃

    Suffice it to say that I don't miss going an entire week without seeing the sun.

  • Daily Discussion Thread: 🍲 ☕🍵 Tuesday, June 25, 2024
  • The 7-eleven coffee is far better than it has any right to be for $2. Plus you can reliably obtain it when real coffee shops have closed.
    I don't think I've ever moaned while sipping it, but you make allowances for the price.

  • Making ends meat: Australians can save up to $20 a kg [on meat] by changing where they shop
  • I'm not at all versed in the legalese, perhaps I'm using the wrong term (IP). We are in agreement that they can't do anything about your site having their prices listed.

    What they probably can do something about is you taking that data from their API or website without authorisation. If it isn't called Intellectual Property, then let's call it "Woolies doesn't like that" law.

  • Exclusive: Majority Of Voters Want Next Government To Take UK Back Into European Union
  • True, but we are speaking about what people want, not how they voted.

  • What's the greatest invention of 21st century, in your opinion?
  • That's going to be a tough one to call. Nokia Communicator had diary (calendar), web browsing and email features in the 90s. You could also tether off it, but it was dialup and most phones could do that.

    That was pretty much the definition of a smart phone at the time.

  • What's the greatest invention of 21st century, in your opinion?
  • It may depend on your culture, but Blackberry and Windows Mobile phones were both fairly common in business circles years before iPhones.

    The iPhone was an incremental advancement, not a major invention out of nowhere. The first iPhone was actually pretty crap compared to some models on the market. It wasn't until the 3G model that iPhones took off.

  • What's you favorite song lyric of all time?
  • The whole start to Graceland by Paul Simon is pretty vivid:

    The Mississippi Delta Was shining like a national guitar.
    I am following the river down the highway through the cradle of the Civil War.
    I'm going to Graceland, Graceland - Memphis, Tennessee
    I'm going to Graceland

    Poor boys and pilgrims with families and we are going to Graceland
    My traveling companion is nine years old he is the child of my first marriage
    But I've reason to believe we both will be received in Graceland

    I have never been to Tennessee. But this intro really conjures up some vivid imagery of driving down a highway through some historic country, along a river in the company of a child - and being among many others going to the same place.

    It's pure poetry.

  • Exclusive: Majority Of Voters Want Next Government To Take UK Back Into European Union
  • I suspect that the majority of voters never wanted to leave in the first place. Results-wise, there was like 1.2% in it. And the leave voters were more likely to actually turn up. The problem is that too many "remainers" didn't actually vote.

  • Making ends meat: Australians can save up to $20 a kg [on meat] by changing where they shop
  • But, that's exactly what they've got. Presentation of prices. If you take it from their presentation, I can see their issue. If you send people into stores to gather those facts for yourself, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.

    What I don't really understand is why they take issue in the first place. You're effectively advertising for them on your site.

  • Making ends meat: Australians can save up to $20 a kg [on meat] by changing where they shop
  • That's interesting, is their issue that you scraped their data? If so, then fair enough - that's technically their intellectual property.

    If you have people going into stores and getting the prices, I don't believe they'd have a legal leg to stand on.

  • WA now has the 'toughest firearms laws' in the country. So who can keep their guns?
  • Both main political parties have introduced sweeping gun reforms in my lifetime. Do they just flip back and forth over whoever introduced the latest set of laws?

  • What is an underrated/forgotten video game that you think deserved a second chance?
  • I think this one was surpassed by X-Wing Alliance.

  • Men, are you physically affectionate with other male friends? (eg, hugging, snuggling, playful wrestling, etc). If you aren't, do you wish it was more socially acceptable if it isn't in your culture?
  • I kiss my sons and will continue to do so for as long as they let me. I can't think of any other male friends/family that I kiss.

    I don't think I'd have a problem with being kissed, but it simply isn't done. Hugs, yes. Kisses, no. I don't feel a need to kiss any of them, which is pretty hypocritical since I readily kiss most of my female friends/family.

    Interesting question. I can't say I particularly wish that kissing my male friends/family was more socially normalised. But I'd probably embrace the societal change if it came along.

  • Softbank plans to cancel out angry customer voices using AI
  • The biggest problem I see with this is the scenario where calls are recorded. They're recorded in case we hit a "he said, she said" scenario. If some issue were to be escalated as far as a courtroom, the value of the recording to the business is greatly diminished.

    Even if the words the call agent gets are 100% verbatim, a lawyer can easily argue that a significant percentage of the message is in tone of voice. If that's lost and the agent misses a nuance of the customer's intent, they'll have a solid case against the business.

  • Softbank plans to cancel out angry customer voices using AI
  • I did phones in a different century, so I don't know whether this would fly today. But, my go-to for someone like this was "ok, I think I see the problem here. Shall we go ahead and fix it or do you need to do more yelling first?"

    I can't remember that line ever not shutting them down instantly. I never took it personally, whatever they had going on they were never angry at me personally.

    Then again, I do remember firing a couple of customers ("we don't want your business any more etc") after I later became a manager and people were abusive to staff. So you could be right, also.

  • What was your worst work mishap, accident, or oopsie?
  • Accidentally shutting down a Windows server is impressive. They have that "why are you shutting down?" dialogue to prevent this scenario.

  • [Meta] Could we have a monthly "Pick an Android for me" pinned thread?
  • Surely opinions on this are going to vary wildly? Lemmy is full of people installing graphene and de-googling, while I'm happy with stock Android on Pixels with a custom launcher. Samsung, Sony and Asus all have serious devotees as well.

    There's also different responses depending on what you want in a phone. Some people want smaller than 6", others must have a 3.5mm jack. Some want SD storage. The camera is vital for me, but most of my colleagues don't really care about the camera.

    How would you sift through all that for a "best" one size fits all phone?

  • What comes to mind if someone uses the term "deeply unserious"?
  • Monty Python.
    I can't believe people have semi serious responses to such an absurd turn of phrase. Spike Milligan would also be a reasonable response.

  • What is your least favorite Marvel movie and why?
  • Oh wow. I can't imagine going into Endgame completely blind. Had you read the comics at least? Or was it just an ensemble of weird characters with powers fighting each other and travelling through time?

    What would have even been the point in the fight?

  • Perth mother and daughter shot dead by friend's ex-partner in double murder-suicide
    www.abc.net.au Perth mother and daughter shot dead by friend's ex-partner in double murder-suicide

    The gunman who shot and killed a mother and her teenage daughter in Perth's affluent western suburbs did so because he thought his ex-partner was at the property.

    Perth mother and daughter shot dead by friend's ex-partner in double murder-suicide
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    WA teachers set to go on half-day strike next week as union rejects latest pay offer
    www.abc.net.au WA teachers set to go on half-day strike next week as union rejects latest pay offer

    WA's teacher union rejects a second pay and conditions offer from the state government, stoking concerns of interruptions at schools as the union threatens to forge on with a potential strike on Tuesday next week.

    WA teachers set to go on half-day strike next week as union rejects latest pay offer

    Just when you thought you'd made it through the holidays. 😀

    I think a half-day strike is just as bad for parents than a full one. We still need to arrange for the kids to be taken care of until 12:30. Apparently we can send them in anyway, but they won't be in class and it isn't exactly supporting the teachers to do that.

    I hope there is progress in the negotiations and the strike gets called off.

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    Bluey's longest-ever episode is here and so are a stack of Easter eggs
    www.abc.net.au Bluey's longest-ever episode is here and so are a stack of Easter eggs

    The 28-minute episode doesn't disappoint with a special wedding and an answer to whether the Heelers sell up and move. But look a little closer and The Sign is full of other hidden treats too. Here's nine you might've missed. Spoilers ahead.

    Bluey's longest-ever episode is here and so are a stack of Easter eggs

    I just sort of assume everyone has watched the episode by now. If you haven't, I recommend doing so before you get to the end of this article.

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    A mere 57 mega polluters produce 80 per cent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, new analysis shows
    www.abc.net.au A mere 57 mega polluters produce bulk of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, new analysis shows

    Just 57 mega polluters are responsible for the bulk of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and most big fossil fuel players have increased, rather than decreased, their output since the Paris Agreement in 2015, a staggering new report finds.

    A mere 57 mega polluters produce bulk of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, new analysis shows

    On the one hand, it makes it really hard to stay motivated with the teeny contribution I make to reducing emissions. On the other, think of how much of a difference these 57 companies could make if they actually reached net-zero targets.

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    We compared the finances of 30-year-olds now, to 30-year-olds 30 years ago
    www.abc.net.au We compared the finances of 30-year-olds now, to 30-year-olds 30 years ago

    To understand why 30-somethings feel like they're struggling financially, the ABC analysed five factors — housing, healthcare, debt, tax, and income. The data reveals this generation is caught in an economic perfect storm.

    We compared the finances of 30-year-olds now, to 30-year-olds 30 years ago

    I'm sure this whole article comes as a shock to nobody, but it's nice to see it recognised like this.

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    Australia's most painful creatures
    www.abc.net.au From the bull ant to the irukandji, these are Australia's most painful creatures

    As Aussies head to the beaches and parklands this summer, we asked a venom expert to rank the top 10 most painful creatures they might encounter.

    From the bull ant to the irukandji, these are Australia's most painful creatures
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    Facebook ate and then ignored the news industry. It's hard, but we should leave it be
    www.abc.net.au Facebook ate and then ignored the news industry. It's hard, but we should leave it be

    Facebook profited from the decline of Australia's news organisations, but enforcing the News Media Bargaining Code will make a bad situation worse without solving the problem of who will pay for the news.

    Facebook ate and then ignored the news industry. It's hard, but we should leave it be

    Try and get past the fact that this is sort-of about Facebook. Because it's more about the demise of news than it is about Facebook, specifically.

    > news organisations were never in the news business, Amanda Lotz, a professor of media studies at QUT, said. > > "They were in the attention-attraction business. > > "In another era, if you were an advertiser, a newspaper was a great place to be. > > "But now there are just much better places to be."

    > The moment news moved online, and was "unbundled" from classifieds, sports results, movie listings, weather reports, celebrity gossip, and all the other reasons people bought newspapers or watched evening TV bulletins, the news business model was dead. > > News by itself was never profitable, Professor Bruns said. > > "Then advertising moved somewhere else. > > "This was always going to happen via Facebook or other platforms."

    It's a really fascinating read. We can all agree that independent journalism is valuable in our society, but ultimately, most of us don't so much seek news out as much as we encounter news as we go about our day.

    I'm sure the TL;DR bot is about to entirely miss the nuance of the article. I recommend reading the whole thing.

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    Tony was fired for remotely working two jobs
    www.abc.net.au Tony was fired for living a double life – he says he was only levelling the playing field

    Tony found himself with too much time on his hands at work. What he did next challenges long-held notions of loyalty in the workplace.

    Tony was fired for living a double life – he says he was only levelling the playing field

    I don't think this movement really got off the ground in WA, we never really had the lock-downs and remote working culture introduced through the pandemic that the Eastern states got. Still, this makes for fascinating reading.

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    'WA wins at the expense of Australia': Economists urge GST change amid warnings of political fallout
    www.abc.net.au 'WA wins at the expense of Australia': Economists urge GST change amid warnings of political fallout

    WA's revised GST deal is set to cost the federal government $50 billion over a decade, not $39 billion as estimated, economists say, warning that it's not justified and should be changed.

    'WA wins at the expense of Australia': Economists urge GST change amid warnings of political fallout

    I get that WA is financially far better off than 2017 projections.

    What I don't really understand is why it is so unfair for WA to get back 70-75 cents per dollar its populace puts into GST.

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    Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 23/1/2024

    Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 23/1/2024

    Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!

    Anyone can make the thread, first in first served. If you are here on a day and there’s no daily thread, feel free to create it!

    Anyway, it’s just a chance to talk about your day, what you have planned, what you have done, etc.

    So, how’s it going?

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    Does anyone actually pay retail prices for clothes?

    I picked up a couple of pairs of jeans at the end of year sales.

    I paid $20 for one pair, down from $110. Does anyone actually pay that $110? That sounds insane to me.

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    Nuclear energy is more expensive than renewables, CSIRO report finds
    www.abc.net.au Nuclear energy is more expensive than renewables, CSIRO report finds

    Renewable energy provides the cheapest source of new energy for Australia, a new draft report from the CSIRO and energy market operator has found.

    Nuclear energy is more expensive than renewables, CSIRO report finds
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    Perth man charged after thousands of dollars in cash found strewn across Mitchell Freeway
    www.abc.net.au Man charged as up to $40,000 found strewn across Perth freeway as if 'the cash cow had come out'

    Thousands of dollars are left "flying everywhere" on the Mitchell Freeway in Perth's north, with more cash and cocaine found in a nearby car, as the police commissioner praises motorists for reporting the incident.

    Man charged as up to $40,000 found strewn across Perth freeway as if 'the cash cow had come out'
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    As a trans man, Max Simensen says he has unique insights everyone could learn from
    www.abc.net.au When Max affirmed his gender a decade ago, he didn't expect changing bathrooms to bring so many insights

    An "out-of-body experience" set Max Simensen on a course to changing his life and living authentically. He shares what he has learnt along the way.

    When Max affirmed his gender a decade ago, he didn't expect changing bathrooms to bring so many insights
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    The gig-going legend attempting a live music world record
    www.abc.net.au David from Wollongong is going for the world record for most live gigs attended. And he might just do it

    This Wollongong music lover has been to A LOT of live music gigs. But is it enough to break the current world record?

    David from Wollongong is going for the world record for most live gigs attended. And he might just do it

    It sounds like he already has the world record, he just needs to prove it.

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