I think the article’s closing is interesting and debatable. Giving credit to the Apple Watch for maintaining people’s interest in a wrist watch… everyone I know that wears an Apple Watch only wears the Apple Watch. But I guess I could give the benefit of the doubt that maybe they wear nicer watches on fancy occasions.
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Another luxury watch store opens in S.F.’s Union Square: ‘The visibility is huge’
Breitling has joined Union Square’s luxury watch boom with the opening of a new boutique, the Swiss company’s first in San Francisco.
The 1,400-square-foot store at 299 Post St., by the northeast corner of Union Square, opened last month. Breitling spent upward of $1 million to build out the space, previously occupied by Johnston & Murphy, and signed a 10-year lease, said Thierry Prissert, president of Breitling USA.
“I think it’s an amazing corner,” he said. “The visibility is huge.”
The loft-inspired design has brick and metal finishes, historic photos from the 140-year-old Breitling’s past and a prominent outdoor sign that spans three stories. An indoor display shows off a motorcycle, which is part of Breitling’s collaboration with Triumph Motorcycles. The two brands created a matching set with a limited edition motorbike and watch.
It’s one of four new watch stores in the critical Union Square shopping district, which is struggling with retail vacancies but still home to numerous luxury brands. German luxury watchmaker A. Lange & Söhne opened a few months ago at 140 Geary St. Kerns Fine Jewelry is also opening a Rolex store along with a Patek Philippe store in two adjacent retail spaces on Post Street.
Luxury sales surged during the pandemic, and Prissert said Breitling benefited with watch sales more than doubling in the last three years. However, the last six months have seen a dip, which he attributed to inflation and other economic challenges. Breitling is owned by private equity firms Partners Group and CVC Capital Partners and doesn’t disclose exact earnings.
Breitling began planning the store about 14 months ago and wanted to open in December 2023. But San Francisco’s notoriously complex and lengthy permitting process resulted in the May opening. Prissert said he supports streamlining the permitting process, something that Mayor London Breed has also called for.
Prissert, a Frenchman who has lived in the U.S. for 25 years, recalls his first trip to the U.S. was a West Coast jaunt that included San Francisco. He remains bullish on the city, despite much-reported problems around office and retail vacancies, homelessness and crime.
“Some believe it’s risky. I don’t share that view,” he said. “I believe San Francisco will remain a landmark in the U.S.” and a top-five tourist destination in the country.
“We think of Breitling in the long term, not the next six to eight months,” Prissert said. He said the city’s strong demographics mean there is a desirable customer base and noted that crime is “not a Union Square issue, it’s a countrywide issue.”
The San Francisco store is the 38th Breitling store in the country, with additional ones planned in Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina, Minnesota and Florida.
The flagship Union Square store stocks Breitling’s entire watch collection, which ranges from watches costing around $3,500 to $70,000 gold timepieces.
Prissert said the company creates watches for “air, land and sea,” and the store reflects that. There are watches made of steel, titanium, diamond and gold materials.
Prissert said he wasn’t aware of Phillipe Patek and Rolex’s nearby expansion plans when signing Breitling’s lease. But he welcomes more watch stores in the area.
“I think it’s positive. It creates a destination,” he said.
Although many people now carry a digital clock in their pocket, thanks to smartphones, Prissert said there’s still interest in analog watches. He credits another of Breitling’s new Union Square neighbors, Apple, for helping sustain interest through its Apple Watch.
“The wrist is real estate” that customers are now used to looking at, Prissert said.
The website Hodinkee reinvented watch culture, giving luxury timepieces the same air as a pair of rare Nikes. Now it faces a market downturn and accusations of mismanagement.
Ben Clymer, the founder of the watch website Hodinkee, is the closest thing that the wonky watch world has to a celebrity—the sort of guy collectors would stop on the street to take a selfie with. His personal Instagram is peppered with gold watches, vintage Porsches and photos with celebrities like Lenny Kravitz.
A former project manager at UBS, in 2008, Clymer turned his passion for watches into a chatty blog where he could spotlight watchmakers and opine on the latest Omegas. The site blossomed over its first decade. It published a glossy print magazine and launched a successful YouTube series featuring famous watch collectors like Kevin Hart, Aziz Ansari and Andre Iguodala. Soon, Hodinkee was hosting champagne-filled parties with Omega and collaborating with John Mayer on collectible watches that sold out with the speed of rare Nikes.
By 2020, Clymer had said Hodinkee was generating around $25 million through ad sales, events, a watch insurance program and a small online shop. The next stage was driven by a question: Would people who read about $50,000 watches on Hodinkee buy them there, too?
When online luxury shopping boomed amid the pandemic, Hodinkee rode the wave, pocketing $40 million from investors including Mayer, LVMH Luxury Ventures, the Chernin Group and Tom Brady. At that point, Clymer said, the company was turning a profit and the investors valued it at more than $100 million. In February 2021, it acquired Atlanta watch resale company Crown & Caliber as prices on the secondary market began steadily climbing to record heights. Hodinkee was looking for a way in.
“I don’t want to say we were chasing it,” said Clymer, during an interview in Hodinkee’s Manhattan office last month. “But again, we’re looking out the window and I see it’s sunny, I’m not going to put on a raincoat. It’s no different than that. We saw what was happening in the market and we went for it.” In December 2021, the company set a goal of $141 million in revenue, according to a board presentation.
Then, in early 2022, the rains came.
Prices of pre-owned watches started declining: After hitting a peak in March 2022, they fell nearly 30% by the end of that year, according to the WatchCharts Overall Market Index, which tracks resale prices over 60 high-end timepieces. It has since only dipped further. Resale prices of some high-end watches are about half what they were just two years ago. The decline in interest has crashed into the broader industry—shares of certain luxury watch businesses have plummeted this year, shedding as much as half their value.
Now Hodinkee is an example of how precarious luxury investments often are at a time when trends whipsaw faster than ever. It also shows how the pandemic made many investors overconfident about the promise of online retail and how, years later, they are dealing with the resulting hangover.
“All of us took some form of a bath on some watches at one point,” said Jeff Fowler, Hodinkee’s chief executive, during the interview last month.
Hodinkee’s growth strategy now appears ill-timed. Sixteen former employees paint a picture of a company that is running out of time to turn itself around. For years, Hodinkee has been plagued by overspending and projects that failed to launch, according to the former employees, many of whom left within the last year or so. Former employees said that the company had five rounds of layoffs over 18 months. Its staff today hovers around 50, down from a peak of roughly 160 people, according to Hodinkee.
Revenue at the company has declined to around $70 million last year from around $100 million in 2021, according to former employees familiar with the company’s finances. It also hasn’t been profitable for the past few years, according to former employees.
A downtown Manhattan retail location that is currently plastered in Hodinkee branding has sat dormant since Hodinkee signed a lease for the space in 2019. According to a former employee familiar with the company’s finances, it eventually cost Hodinkee as much as $80,000 a month. The company says it’s planning to sublet the space to a new tenant this summer.
To Clymer and Fowler, Hodinkee’s pullback is better situated for growth at its shrunken scale.
“The business is stronger than it’s ever been,” Clymer said about the downsized company. “I believe in this business now more than ever.”
Positioning for Growth
When Hodinkee announced $40 million in investment in December 2020, Clymer stepped down as chief executive, passing the reins to Toby Bateman, the former managing director of online menswear retailer Mr Porter. Clymer stayed on as executive chairman and described his current role as “the emotional leader of the business.”
Within months, Hodinkee acquired Crown & Caliber, then an 8-year-old pre-owned watch reseller. They paid around $46 million for the company, according to a former employee with knowledge of the deal.
Crown & Caliber knew how to purchase bundles of high-end watches, photograph them, list them and ship them out to buyers. Hodinkee knew how to attract an audience. On paper, the combination seemed like a good fit.
In the year before the acquisition, Crown & Caliber was bringing in $53.6 million in revenue, roughly two times that of Hodinkee, according to a financial report reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.
“In 2021, pre-owned was everything,” said Clymer.
Crown & Caliber’s success was driven in part by the way watch companies, most notably Rolex, limit the number of watches they release in a given year. If shoppers want, say, a Rolex Daytona or an Omega Speedmaster, they can’t just walk into a store and buy one. Wait lists for certain watches can stretch into years. To skip the line, many shoppers are willing to spend more with pre-owned resellers such as Crown & Caliber.
“Hodinkee had an incredibly strong brand, we still do,” said Clymer. “But what we weren’t great at was fulfillment and returns and things like that that actually really drive a business.”
But almost immediately, former employees said, problems with merging the two companies cropped up.
Crown & Caliber customers were often horological novices who wanted a nice watch to mark a life milestone. The Hodinkee reader was a watch enthusiast, who might already have a safe full of rare Patek Philippes and wasn’t necessarily in the market for a used Rolex. The idealized scenario in which Hodinkee readers crept over to Crown & Caliber’s pre-owned offerings just didn’t seem to be happening, said former employees.
There were logistical issues, too. Former employees said that it was a longstanding goal to fold Crown & Caliber into Hodinkee. Yet the company didn’t sufficiently prepare to consolidate the two websites, which operated on two separate back-end systems, former employees said. That made it difficult to manage inventory and fulfill orders across the two companies.
“With any merger, it can take years to fully integrate a team,” Clymer said in a statement.
Crown & Caliber employees grew resentful that Hodinkee, a less profitable but showier company, had acquired their workplace, said several former employees.
Fowler acknowledged that merging the two corporate cultures—the unsexy warehouse-based team in Atlanta and with the slick, public-facing team in New York—was a challenge. “I heard, ‘Us, them.’ ‘Atlanta, New York,’” Fowler said about conversations he had with employees when he joined.
Clymer and Fowler initially denied planning to shutter the site. When asked about a board presentation reviewed by The Wall Street Journal that indicated that had been the plan, Clymer responded, “Things change.”
Meanwhile, Bateman, the new CEO, was in his native England, and traveling to the states was a struggle due to Covid restrictions. After less than a year-and-a-half, he was out. In March 2022, the company had a new CEO: Fowler, the former American president of online luxury retailer Farfetch.
The Market Turns
In the middle of 2022, the watch reselling market turned. Hodinkee felt it immediately.
Suddenly, watches like the Rolex Daytona, which sold for around $45,000 in March, were fetching as much as $10,000 less in June. The company scrambled to stanch the bleeding. At first it ceased procuring specific models, including Rolex sport watches, then ultimately stopped purchasing watches altogether, adopting a trade-in-only model.
“We implemented pretty firm guardrails to avoid the problem ballooning for us,” Fowler said.
When the dust settled, Hodinkee amassed roughly $2 million worth of pre-owned Rolexes above their market value at that time, according to former employees.
To boost sales, Hodinkee started to clear out inventory by increasing the volume of promotions, former employees said. Clymer and Fowler dispute that.
By December of last year, the inventory, which in healthier years could be well into the thousands, slumped to below 300 watches as Hodinkee had less money to spend on new watches to resell, according to a former employee with knowledge of the stock. Today there are around 850 pre-owned watches available on Crown & Caliber’s website.
“We definitely had to manage cash closely through a period of time,” Fowler said, adding that the diminished inventory is “a definite conscious decision.”
What’s more, sellers were not getting paid for weeks, leading to customer service complaints and outcry on forums like Reddit about delayed payments, said those that left the company in late 2023 or early 2024.
Fowler disputed this, saying, “I don’t think we ever had any obligations that we didn’t fulfill.”
The Pivot
Over the past 18 months, Hodinkee has been cutting jobs across all facets of its business, according to former employees. The VIP sales team, a crucial wing of any luxury retailer servicing big-spending clients, has been gutted. Watchmakers in Atlanta, who approved and serviced watches that the company resold, were let go. Just a few years after the acquisition, only 14 employees are left in Atlanta.
“No one enjoys going through these types of changes,” Fowler said. “But a reorganization was necessary to ensure the business was put onto a more sustainable path financially.”
F ormer employees said the dwindling workforce created some big problems. Last October, Hodinkee’s editorial website went down on a critical sales day because the employee whose corporate credit card was tied to the site’s hosting fee had been let go months before.
Former employees also said that a planned eBay-style marketplace, once highly touted internally as a way to spare Hodinkee from holding a risky amount of inventory, was tabled and several former employees who worked on it were let go.
While the company’s editorial staff still publishes a handful of stories a day, past employees said that customers were growing bored of the limited-edition watches that used to sell out as fast as a pair of coveted Air Jordans.
A launch last year of a G-Shock ref. 6900 with British singer Ed Sheeran languished in the warehouse, according to former employees. Several former employees said that the company began to mark limited-edition watches as “sold out” even if stock was still available.
Clymer disputed that description and said he wasn’t concerned about the speed at which the limited-edition products sell out. “Sometimes stuff takes, you know, 10 days instead of 10 minutes,” said Clymer, “But you know that’s okay with us.”
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Electric toothbrush. When I don’t have it with me, brushing manually is such a chore. A device performs better than I do and I embrace it.
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Prescription glasses. I remember getting to look at a tree with improved sight, and it was wonderful.
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Air purifier. Has really helped my allergies.
Definitely, we use the Imperial system after all.
Honestly, the lack of activity here has quelled my watch lust. But every once in a while I come across a watch ad and read more on it.
What did you enjoy about r/watches?
For me, I liked sharing in the excitement of new and seasoned collectors–but especially the newbies. Occasionally there were cool back stories, and even people getting their small collection stolen and the community pitching in a variety of watches to get them started again. Although sometimes obnoxious, the circle jerk was amusing to have around.
Maybe I’ll figuratively get off my butt and post my 3 watch collection.
This reminds me of a few weeks ago when I came across a tennis-themes Timex Snoopy. I was seriously looking into it, but the Marlin base was crap quality according to reviews. So sad.
I’m putting myself in your shoes, like do I need it? No. But it’s neat! Bonus points to Seiko for the watch box looking like a Poke ball. Really cool purchase.
I was in Vegas last month. Uber/Lyft drivers are fed up too. One driver told me that he used to meet his goals by 11am. Because of F1 construction traffic, now he’s driving an extra 10-15 hours per day to meet those same goals. He’s gonna be out of town this F1 month, visiting a friend in another state to consider moving there.
Life is becoming worse for the residents, while the casinos get richer.
8th grade. A girl tells me in the presence of classmates, “I love youuuu.” I just think it’s a joke/prank so I reply, “I’m too young!” Later she privately asks me if I meant that. It didn’t click for me until high school.
Fresh out of an all-boys high school, so no interaction with girls since 8th grade. Freshman year college, fall semester. Classmate says she’s cold and hooks her arm in mine on the walk to lecture. This happens every day. Another classmate asks if we’re dating, and I say no, she’s just cold.
Same semester, same class, in a lab section, it’s warm. I ask my lab partner (different from arm girl) doesn’t she feel hot, why not take off her sweater. She looks at my and says, “I’m not wearing anything underneath.” Next day in lecture she’s dresssd up really nice and sits next to me.
Every day in this lecture these 3 girls sit with me. My high school buddy who’s also in the class tells me, while we’re studying, he thinks it’s hilarious that I’m surrounded by girls. I shrug it off.
Jesus was the Lion of Judah, and he had a pr*stitute wash his feet with her hair and expensive perfume. The best of lions.
It’s obscene for two lions to mate, but it’s biblical for Lot’s daughters to get him drunk and sleep with him to preserve the family line. Ok.
Incomplete sentences make it difficult, such as the OP.
Your example is great:
- Me jumped in the pool.
- I jumped in the pool.
The second sentence is correct, so you would go with, “My twin and I jumped in the pool.”
Similar example:
- The rain got me and my twin soaking wet.
- The rain got my twin and I soaking wet.
Simplify them:
- The rain got me soaking wet.
- The rain got I soaking wet.
The first sentence is correct, so go with, “The rain got me and my twin soaking wet.”
“Pricing for Paxlovid is based on the value it provides to
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School areas are 25 mph. Kids from elementary through high school are walking to and from school in my town of ~150,000.
I started with Motorola Atrix, then Motorola Moto X, Samsung S8, S10, Note 10+, and earlier this year got a used iPhone 13 Mini to give it a fair try.
iOS takes more steps to do things that Android can do. It was disappointing coming from the multitasking beast that the Note series is. I miss being able to do scrolling screenshots system-wide, no matter what app. iOS limits it to a few core apps and makes it a PDF… I miss being able to swipe back from either side of the screen. I miss split screen. I miss Samsung’s sandboxed Secure Folder and vastly superior One Handed Mode. I miss a better keyboard experience.
But those are things I gave up for the convenience of a local Apple Store, faster security updates, and being able to troubleshoot iOS better for my partner who’s always used iPhones.
I went almost all in with the 15 Pro; still using my Galaxy buds because they’re comfy. Continuity is nice, already having a MBP and iPad. And I’m having fun messing around with Shortcuts and reading people’s ideas for the action button. It’s not as powerful as Tasker, but that’s only because Apple limits what we can do. Scrolling with 120 Hz is nicer than 60 Hz, comparing the 13 Mini and 15 Pro side by side.
Apple on Saturday said it has identified a few issues which can cause new iPhones to run warmer than expected, including a bug in the iOS 17 software which will be fixed in an upcoming update.
Have you seen or read about the 15 Pro/Max being more fragile? Some commenters suggest that the more rigid titanium chassis makes the glass more susceptible to cracking.
I've never bought AC+ or any sort of insurance for my phones, only a case, but I'm getting uncomfortable..
Are any of you case users actually worried? I'd estimate that I drop my phone a handful of times each year onto bedroom carpet or bathroom tile, usually from waist height.
Watching Ted Lasso right now, and all these characters that are working on their MacBook: when they get texted, they pick up their iPhones and read and reply there. Missed opportunities to show off Continuity. Show the phone notification, and then show the MacBook. I love responding on my MacBook. Or is it not that common?