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Which European country was it that added a loophole to their constitution to allow slavery as punishment then manipulated their legal system to lock a third of black men up again? I forget.
- France.
  
  Now now, The French Foreign Legion isn't slavery. It will just make you wish for nuclear winter.
- Can we not try to avoid introspection into our own racism by talking about someone else's racism please?
  Yes, this is a fucked up thing. Why do you specifically bring it up under a post about European racism tho?
  
  On the one hand, it's bait.
  On the other hand I don't think the country that has formalised slavery and a culture of policing which views it's own citizens as prey really has the right to dictate conversation on race relations.
  In no other field would such failure be seen as authority. You wouldn't pick a garage to fix your car because them accidentally destroying the most engines shows they're experts.
  
  I disagree strongly with this sentiment. If there was one garage that was destroying engines and another garage removing all the seatbelts, sure, maybe engine-estroying-garage has their own shit going on, but that doesn't mean that their critisism of seatbelt-removing-garage is invalid.
- "my culture can't have racist elements because your culture is racister!"
  truly a smackdown, i am humbled.
  
  Well, you didn't come with actual arguments, so I guess you are humbled.
- I'm really glad we're doing all that and this is your takeaway because that gives Europeans like yourself every excuse to do nothing. It's okay for me to trip on this rake because somewhere an American is tripping on their rake harder.
  
  You're on a thread that's effectively saying America doesn't have racist traditions like Europe does. The comment above just calmly points out that we do, and some of it is part of our existing legal system. You don't get to insult Europeans (in a way that seems to at least in part be made up) and then get angry when someone points out very legitimate real racism that actually effects a large number of people's lives.
  
  I paired down a much cruder response initially to just what you read because I thought about it and realized this was the case. I still find it disgusting to use whataboutism to ignore Europe's racism. If your answer to is to shrug off your own country's white supremacism because America is worse that's bullshit. It isn't as enlightened as you think it is.
  
  You're on a thread that's effectively saying America doesn't have racist traditions like Europe does.
  [citation needed]
  this post is about holiday traditions specifically, like that'd the first sentence.
  at no point did anyone say america isn't racist.
  believe it or not, every western culture is racist in some way to some group.
  
  Every culture, not just the western ones.
  
  yea, but i'm not well versed in eastern racisms so i'm not gonna talk about them
- Imagine being from the UK and thinking it is some superior country. You're literally a top contender for the worst group of human beings to have ever existed.
  
  I personally don't think the sins of the father pass to the son, because that's what stupid assholes who haven't developed second order thought think, so maybe consider refering to the nation as a concept instead of every living or dead Brit.
  
  So...exactly what the person I was responding to did...interesting.
- Ah, Europeans always love to hoist racism over Americans.
  Forget stones, y'all have whole-ass machine guns in those glass houses.
  
  I'm an American.
  What the fuck is this thread? Americans can insult European racism, but a European can't point out American racism?
  
  I think the issue on this instance is that the original is bringing up America's racism as a way to dismiss their own.

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