Berlin says EU should prepare for war by end of decade
Berlin says EU should prepare for war by end of decade
Europe could face threats from Russia by the end of the decade, and EU countries need to build up their defence industries to be prepared, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said during an interview published on Welt am Sonntag on Saturday.
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There's a war going on right now in Ukraine, helping them win it will make Russia launching a next war less likely and further off.
This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Russia is clearly threatening the stability of the EU right now. If the EU wants to send a strong signal against aggression and meddling, it needs support Ukraine in a way that makes it clear to any would-be-adversary, that the EU is willing and capable to defend itself and its allies.
Not to mention, it makes them less reliant on the US -- which as an American, means we can reduce our defense spending. Which means we can finally have really good welfare programs.
This has been disproven so many times. You don't lack social programs because of defense spending. Defense spending is only 3.5% of GDP. Your wildly inefficient private health care system, on the other hand, costs 16.6% of GDP and you still get worse outcomes, on average, compared to other OECD countries. If you brought your health care system in line with other OECD countries with a public health care system at around 11% of GDP, you could literally double the size of your military and still have tons of money left over to improve social programs and wipe out all medical debt (only 0.6% of GDP, but devastating to poorer families).
Ah, but how could we maintain the military without the threat of poverty to keep people in?
what are the odds Ukraine actually takes back their territory? The vaunted summer counteroffensive was a complete and abject failure
They stopped and presented most of their combat power when it looked like it was going to be a waste like Russia's recent offensives. They shifted to an attritional fight. You are right in line with the Russian narrative though.
High on taking back northern regions by Kiev, the northern parts and Odessa, medium on eastern territories, and low on Crimea.
Why do you think it's more likely that they will take back Crimea?
I said low likelihood they'd take back Crimea.
The message you replied to says odds, though.
Low odds means low likelihood right? I think technically odds are referred to in long and short, but that's weird.
Pretty sure a low likelihood yields high odds and vice versa.
LOL, Russia has already LOST the war. Now they are just desperately trying to take dirt.
Ukraine doesn't have to take back its territory.
Russia will be forced by NATO to do that, just like how Germany lost so many territories it conquered after WW1.
You do understand that Russia has nuclear weapons and it's ruled by psychopaths, which sort of make that sort of stuff very costly for literally the entire planet?
You know Ukraine isn't going to win, right? Russia is just much more powerful than them even with full NATO support
Folks this is a troll who created the account two hours ago.
There should be a newbie badge for like 6 months.
Depending on your client there is. Accounts younger than a month (I think?) are marked with the baby emoji on voyager.
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Dude, your account is 5 months old
Folks this is a troll who created the account two hours ago.
That's the real public service announcement. Many thanks.
in three weeks, right? home for christmas.
Hahahaha. Old Nato Stock is destroying Russian equipment with ease. But sure, Russia with non-existing new weapons (except on paper) is much more powerful. What kind of person are you?
Ukraine isn't part of NATO, which is why you didn't see Abrams rolling up to the Kremlin a year ago.
Thanks for the laugh, Ivan. Now go back to your bread line and piss off.
Russia is just much more powerful than them even with full NATO support.
Not so sure about that: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/
Anyway it's been a while since a war has been won in the traditional sense. I find the conditions of victory hard to define for Ukraine or Russia.
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This isn't a black or white "win or lose" scenario. You know that, right?
This isn’t a black or white “win or lose”
Well, in very important ways Russia LOST
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is just much more powerful than them
Debatable
even with full NATO support
Absolutely not lmao. We haven't seen full NATO support, because it would mean the conflict would be over in an instant. NATO wants to stay formally out of the war however and not put boots on the ground. If Russia invades a NATO country in tandem with Ukraine, it's all over for them.
Yeah NATO support comes with MAD. NATO support is US troops begin fighting. Ukraine is a target partly because they aren’t NATO
If Russia invades a NATO country in tandem with Ukraine, it's all over for them.
You really think the USA can press a button and destroy a quarter of the whole earth?
Well yes, nukes, but that's not what I meant. I mean a ground invasion that uses full American military might.
Sure thing, not even one hour old account with two comments.
You totally didn't use this account to get around being defederated from this instance.
Curious how all that power isn't really reflected on the battlefield.
They are delaying the war as long as possible, as they are earning a lot of money this way. Same as the US selling them weapons
How are they earning money? Seems more like they're burning through money and young men
Who are "they"?
Da, comrade.
So who's winning the current 3 day special operation that totally isn't a war?
Edit: And by win, I mean who's sustained more losses? Who's lost more ground? Who's conscripting more people?
Probably some vampires