Updated - programming.dev defederation on hold
Updated - programming.dev defederation on hold
Update: In light of the programming.dev update here https://programming.dev/post/8399272, the defederation is no longer going ahead.
However, something more needs to be said. Even here on Blahaj, some of our users took issue with the choice to defederate over this issue.
So I would like to give some background and context.
Blahaj Zone exists, because both Kaity and I left mainstream social media to escape transphobia. Reddit, with its lackluster approach to fighting transphobia, and twitter, with its outright celebration of transphobia pushed us here, to the fediverse, and to create Blahaj Zone and Blahaj Lemmy.
To that end, we will continue to treat transphobia seriously. Our goal is to create a space where gender diverse folk can exist and let our defenses down a little, where we don't have to worry about getting dragged in to an argument with a transphobe, or a bad faith actor "just asking questions".
If you are looking for a more reddit like experience, where in the interest of increased engagement, we let low level transphobia slide, and push responsibility for dealing with it on to community mods and individual users, then you will likely not be happy with blahaj going forward. If you choose to stay here, understand that we may defederate again in the future over similar issues.
The choice is yours.
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It has recently been brought to my attention that the lead admin of programming.dev is engaging in ongoing transphobia.
You can see the conversation in question here https://programming.dev/comment/6131539
For that reason we will be defederating from programming.dev in 48 hours.
There are only three communities on that instance used by small number of our users, so this won't have a big impact, but if you are one of those users, you will need to use an alt account on another instance if you wish to access the communities.
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Imo shitjustworks is the worst offender because they have a whole "muh free speech" thing going and they also were the choice for where a load of rightwing and rightwing adjacent subreddits decided to migrate to like r/greentext, r/NCD, r/conservative and r/libertarian
That is true, sh.just.works does allow some pretty terrible communities. Both of them have atrocious user moderation standards, there was a guy on sh.itjust.works who made terrorist threats, regualarly, he was banned from many other instances but his account on shitjustworks is still standing, even after they reviewed it. Really terrible instance.
I would say Lemmy.world is still pretty high up there considering they only ban subs that make them look bad, and only temporarily ban transphobic or bigoted users, in many cases they won't even acknowledge transphobia, instead banning users for homophobia or trolling, one time they even appealed a user who was posting MAP (Pedophile) pride shit and was perma banned for it, they reduced his ban to 7 days after email communication, what kind of instance unbans a person pushing MAP pride shit? That shit is dangerous (Modlog entry for the pedo user they unbanned just in case there was any doubt).
IMO both of these instances are absolutely atrocious with their moderation policies.
From what I see, he seems childish more than anything about "MAP Pride". He argued for jailing people who harm children.
And he got banned for it. That's a far, far thing from an instance endorsing "MAP Pride".
Find me an instance of someone being Transphobic that isn't just "ignoring" pronouns in someone's flair on Lemmy.world, and I'll ban them myself. And I'll have a talk with the mods of that community if needed. And yes, I'll ban for intentional misuse of pronouns, but it's gotta be pretty blatant and not just flair.
I'm pretty tired of Reddit mods who get offended and ban anyone who argues with them. If you're biased, you should recuse yourself. People with power should have a higher bar for their actions than others.
He was also arguing for fictional child pornography to be legalized so people who are pedophiles could indulge in their fantasies so...
Permanently Deleted
Proof on the "MAP pride shit"? Jarfil wasn't posting CP, he was saying those people needed help. And while it's hard to agree with this because those that act on it deserve a bullet for all I care but you want to make it look like posting CP is ok on Lemmy World.
Guess who was the first instance to defederate rqd2.net and brought their MAP support forums to light?Here is the list of instances we block on Lemmy World and the reasons why: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world
That's the main reason why we have fediseer, to keep those bigots and pedos out.
We do take action when we see transphobia. But if the whole discussion about a this game has made anything clear it's that there are concepts and dogwhistles that might go unnoticed to cis male folk like me because I don't live that life.
But go ahead and defederate from Lemmy World.
He was also saying that CSAM should be legal so they can indulge in their fantasies I think many would agree that that's pretty rotten, but what do I know.
He was arguing that it should be ok to generate AI images, trying to make a case that it was better than actual CP. Also something I find disgusting and don't agree with. But now that the technology is here I can see why it's something that should be discussed.
But you're twisting things to fit your narrative here.
Really want to have the Last word don't you that's okay because it just means you just don't get to share your side or have an opinion on this.Thanks for proving me right, you guys are just like Reddit, won't hold bigots and malicous actors accountable.
I don't deny that it's here and that people are going to do it, but people shouldn't be advocating that or allowed to advocate it without repercussions. I can't believe you're sitting here trying to justify giving leeway to something so atrocious.
But you’re twisting things to fit your narrative here.
I don't see how, it seems pretty cut and dry to me, I'm calling out something that is terrible and would've been actioned more severely on almost any other instance, but I can see why you'd be defensive here. Have a nice day.
He said it should be discussed. He didn't say it could be posted or advocated for it in any way. What kind of echo chamber are you expecting for where you can't discuss something in a civil way? He clearly states that he finds it disgusting and doesn't agree with it, but you think that conversation on the topic shouldn't be allowed? Yikes.
User Jarfil was advocating for its use: "I, personally, think that all those pedophiles, ephebophiles, zoophiles, and serial murderers who happen to be necrophiles... should all be FORCED to watch FAKE —live action or not— versions of what makes them horny... every single day..." I'm sorry, what? How can you think that is okay?
Don't be ridiculous. I don't think that is okay, but as a point in a discussion, I think it's okay for them to be able to SAY that. Are you kidding me? You are advocating for silencing the discussion, not the practice. Please get in there and engage in the discussion instead of trying to silence them and push them into some dark corner of the internet where no one will disagree with them and they spiral down an echo chamber. Sheesh.
I think that people who advocate heinous crap like that should be shown the door and told to discuss it elsewhere, if no one wants to take them in that's not my problem. It's also not my problem if most places don't want to associate with the places that will take them in.
"Freeze Peach" isn't something I believe in beyond not getting locked up for speaking your mind or having a bad take but even that has limitations such as threats, or advocating harm. In the case of CSAM and advocation of it, it doesn't apply because lawmakers and a majority of people have decided that CSAM real or fictional is harmful, and thus have passed laws against it. On social media Free speech doesn't apply because they are not governments and they are not arresting you, they are more akin to a club kicking you out, or rather, asking you to leave, than they are to a government arresting you for speech.
There's a reason they're called sh.itholefor.nazis. The communities are hit/miss but GOOD GOD is the comment quality in the absolute shitter. Lemmy world is also really bad their admins will flat out perm ban you for being socialist. Those instances are a blight on the federation.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=1960611
Pretty sure you did get banned for behaving unpleasant in general not for beeing a socialist. Like coming in this thread and flinging insults.
Edit: fixed the link
https://hexbear.net/modlog?userId=17354
I knew their username looked familiar. They got banned from hexbear for being a shitty person there as well lmao.
I'm as shitty as the people around me. Notice how I haven't really had issues on any of the other instances? I don't go around looking to start fights, I just have strong principles and refuse to back down for anything. Yes that's going to be bad optics in some circumstances, that makes it really easy for them to find a good excuse to throw the hammer. Back in the day when I did care about optics people would just flat out make up a reason bordering defamation to get rid of me and everyone would buy it so as far as i'm concerned I'd rather it be for an honest reason than a made-up one. If you want to see an example of LW banning socialists just look at the rest of the mod log and you'll notice a trend.
I got banned from hexbear because I pushed one of the admins on their pro-crypto stance (my take is that crypo is nazi shit) and they didn't like I was talking back to them, everything else you see in the modlog is basically post-hoc justification. Lemmy world did it because I wouldn't stop calling fascists on their shit. Those are the real reasons why i'm banned from those instances.
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Damn I didn't know that, that fucking sucks