Google seems to be blocking API access for Piped video servers
Google seems to be blocking API access for Piped video servers
Official Instance The bug is reproducible on the official hosted instance, or is API-related. Describe the bug For some reason the videos dont load and I cant watch piped. I primarily use piped cau...
Most servers are not able to access the Google API.
Invidious report of the same(ish) problem: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/4045#issuecomment-1674373088
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Not to be a downer but... how did people not anticipate this happening? Google is likely going to do everything they can to shut down non-official clients like Piped, since they're sidestepping all of YouTube's revenue streams. Hopefully they don't take the nuclear option and somehow lock down the API and make it much harder to download videos via tools like yt-dlp.
I'm pretty sure most people anticipated it at some point. I just seems to be starting now.
Yeah we're basically hurting their revenue by using Piped and other ways to bypass Google's ads. They wouldn't be profitable if everyone stopped watching those ads
Noooooooooo! The poor google 😢
their $412,378/s has been reduced to $412,367/s! 😭 😭
Yeah, they should provide thousands of gigiabits of video streaming to everyone for free. It's our right!
It's not for free. They use your data. Also most of these 'free' videos are made by enthusiasts.
Most of what they use your data for is to serve you ads. If you're blocking ads, that data isn't all that valuable.
They still have valuable data, they collect how interesting something is, so you're even contributing to the algorithm and you essentially advertise videos you're watching to other users with similar interests on the platform. People without adblock will come plenty.
That ad blocking on Youtube makes you a worthless user for anyone on there is just not true.
Enthusiasts who want to earn money off the platform, yes.
Ah yes, because humans never want to share information, or show others something they've achieved or created. The only possible motivation could be money.
That's not what I'm saying, but these people choose to upload their content to YouTube specifically, so what's your point?
That's there's not really another platform to upload to that you can easily share long form video content on, for free? I don't understand your point now.
My point is that nothing is free. You can't have it both ways.
What? My initial point was people wanted to share things like information or creativity and youtube is one of the only viable places to upload too. I literally don't understand your points.
Yes but they can't anyways because google never fixed their completely borked content ID system. Half the people I watch just assume that all of their videos will be demonitized anyways. They make all of their money off of patreon.
I'm no Google fan, but it's borderline impossible to moderate a site of that size. It's a legal nightmare that cannot be solved by just humans. Read some articles about the human moderators of sites like YouTube and Facebook. Those people see some shit.
But yes, YouTube should definitely improve their escalation system, and pay more attention to refuted strikes. It sucks to see innocent creators get punished by a broken system.
As a contributor who doesn't monetize videos, you don't speak for everyone.
Big platforms tend to forget they're big because they're free. It's our duty to remind them.
I wish the product was somewhat good too. Piped has features that even YT Premium users don't have.
They print money, sorry i lost my pity for multi billion dollar internet giants.
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You know they wouldn’t get paid if nobody watched the ads. And if they didn’t get paid they wouldn’t have any reason to pay to run the site. Explaining that a corporation will not run a site like YouTube for free (which it wouldn’t even be, it costs a lot of money to run) if they weren’t getting paid. Quit attacking other users simply for pointing out facts. It’s beneath you (I think)
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I never said that Google is on the verge of collapse, nor did I defend them. I merely stated that Google is a corporation, driven by profit, and expecting Google to act in the interest of anything but their own profits is a fool’s fantasy. Quit putting words in people’s mouths. It’s unbecoming of anyone that wants to have a legitimate discussion and it’s just toxic.
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They’re making plenty of profit selling all of our data  and getting ad revenue from the 95%+ of other users who aren’t blocking them.
I'd wager that it's closer to 99.999%.
Yeah since i don't have any figures I just went sort of conservative with the estimate
Exactly, you either get my data or my money. That's how I feel about every service nowadays, I don't think its unethical to subvert payment requirements when they have been selling my privacy for years.
Well, if they implement their web integrity DRM thingy in Chrome and Youtube then that will prevent anything that's not a real approved browser from accessing the website, and with that the video streams. Not only Piped/Newpipe, but anything automated trying to access any website will be automatically locked out unless the website approves of it. New search engine bot? Archiving crawlers? Any type of third party program that accesses some website's content without approval? Dead.
I'm not going to be popular saying this but how is the service supposed to survive without a revenue stream? It takes a shit ton of bandwidth and storage to keep YouTube running, that ain't free.
I get that the ads are incredibly annoying but if you truly watch as much YouTube as some people in this thread are claiming, maybe it's worth paying for it? I bit the bullet and for basically the price of my cancelled Spotify subscription I now have no ads in YT and an okay streaming service with yt music.
Of course Google could do things better. And actually I think it would be important to have a competitor. But I wouldn't expect that one to be free either.
If youtube fixed their content ID system and stopped falsely demonitizing all the creators I watch then I would hapily pay for youtube red (or whatever they call it now). As it is though I'm not giving them my money just for them to pay copyright trolls with some of it. I'd rather give my money to noone than risk having some of it go to the people leaching off the completely broken content ID system.
It's called RedTube now.
Or just pay for Nebula or some other independent video site run by Youtubers.
YouTube should be public infrastructure.
How many people are using Piped, revanced, or the like? I doubt it is the majority. This move is highly likely more greed than anything.
Does Google care about our user experience? The short answer is no. Look at the intrusive ads, how long they are, them suggesting DRM, right wing pipeline, and more.
Look at how they treat their content creators. Demonetization, channel and copyright strikes, etc.
The list goes on. Youtube should and needs to be public. Internet is a utility and needed to survive by everyone. A video hosting service like Youtube is needed as well. Through every perspectice, Google is, ultimately, wrong in doing this.
This is c/privacy. Are you really advocating for pouring money on the company (Google) that's doing everything it can to get to know everyone and use the information for showing deceiving ads, among other things? Or the company that supports false political propaganda? (In the form of paid advertisements). Support your creators, thats a very good thing, but for the love of god please do not fund this data mining machine.
I really am! If they don't get money, and they don't get data, and they (obviously) don't get donations, how are they supposed to run the service? Out of the goodness of their hearts?
They get enough money already. They are even spending on military tech research (google ventures), lobbying, and of course on their investors who have an unfulfillable hunger for money.
Leave us nerds an opening. The 99% that can't figure out how to put in an adblocker should be able to cover us nicely.
It amazes me how entitled these Internet hippies are nowadays. You can't expect someone to provide such a huge service for free. If you don't like ads, pay for it. It's like $5 per month when you pay as a group..
I would pay if
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Google promised not collect any data but now you would pay and have your data collected.
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I just want load my subscription feed and they are all there not hidden away.
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Hid shorts or have them on separate tab.
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Bonus would be if related videos where acutely related videos in time span. Not the mess they are now.
Also why would I have to pay YouTube music? I don’t want that.
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The reason why most of us refuse to pay is because, as Louis Rossmann pointed out in a video, Youtube Premium does not actually let you watch shit offline for more than 3 days or something. Even though you have supposedly downloaded it, it asks you to connect to the internet before you can watch it.
When you download a video you should require absolutely zero internet to go and rewatch it no matter how long in the future it is. But nah Youtube Premium requires you to turn back on the internet. I wonder why. Maybe, just maybe because even after you pay for the service, you are still the product so Google is not only taking your literal money but is gobbling up all of your data and selling it for even more money, and their download is a scam.
No thanks, piracy is justified - Louis Rossmann.
I would pay if they let me without compromising my anonymity.
I'd rather Youtube and Google itself be split up under anti-trust laws. I don't want them to exist.
I'd rather people build smaller video websites for niche subjects so the internet is decentralized to the extent it was when it first started.
Nobody is forcing you to use their services.
Actually they are, because Google controls 90% of the internet, most cell phones while Apple controls the rest and does the same, meaning we consumers don't get a choice.
We're just slaves.
Google controls 90% of the internet
Google doesn't control shit, and you're referring to the web, not the internet. Nobody forces you to use YouTube, Maps or their search engine. The websites you visit choose to incorporate Google analytics and ads, which you can easily block if you feel enslaved in that sense.
Most people's phones actually do, especially iPhone users, so that's not true.
So don't buy a fucking iPhone or a Google Pixel or whatever, it's your choice.
Meaning now I cannot use any phone and am now locked out of the modern age.
Your refusal to admit a problem does not remove that problem.
They make enough money off the rubes. They should just let us nerds have this one.
LOL. You're still violating the terms of service as there is no group membership for YTP. The family plan is for household family members only, so you can't share it with anyone outside of your house even if they're family.
Google will close them down soon just like Netflix and Disney (end of year). They'll start blocking proxy/VPNs as well.
So, it is actually $13 USD for ind or $24 for household.