Denmark Will Allow Ukraine To Fly Its F-16s Into Russia Proper
Denmark Will Allow Ukraine To Fly Its F-16s Into Russia Proper
Ukraine will be able to use Danish and Dutch F-16s to strike into Russia, while Belgium is saying only for use in 1991-border Ukraine.
Ukraine will be able to use Danish and Dutch F-16s to strike into Russia, while Belgium is saying only for use in 1991-border Ukraine.
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Ukraine: "I consent."
Denmark: "I consent."
Russia: "Was there somebody you forgot to ask?"
The myth of consentual flights of F-16s into Russian territory.
Same way Russia forgot to ask Ukraine, Ukraine forgot to ask Russia. Seems fair.
forgot to ask Ukraine
After how many Minsk Agreements mediated by the OSCE would you consider Ukraine properly "asked"?
The same ones that Russia and Ukraine hates? They can't even agree on the meaning of them, since they are such an ambiguous mess that doesn't specify anything.
Skill issue. Were I the Ukrainians I simply would have negotiated a better treaty.
Skill issue on Russia's part too. Let's be fair here.
No doubt. Russia placed too much faith in the OSCE and France and Germany approaching the process in good faith. Merkel later came out and said that the Minsk process was just a time-buying exercise so that NATO could arm Ukraine as a proxy against Russia.
Ukraine, of course, knew that it was being armed and trained and had the carrot of NATO and EU membership dangled before it. Circling back to the original point, the fact that Ukraine was being armed and trained at such a rate is good evidence that Ukraine absolutely knew what was about to happen.
Russia placed too much faith in the OSCE and France and Germany approaching the process in good faith.
I'm not sure if you're calling Putin a stupid man that is easily manipulated or incompetent. No politician ever in their lives did anything in good faith, Putin included. You must be very naive to think that.
<...> good evidence that Ukraine absolutely knew what was about to happen.
That's an empty speculation. Knowing and preparing for a possibly are completely different things. Also, if you note the timing on the war, it stared a month before a US company was about to start extracting oil and gas from the Ukraine territory and cut off Russia from Europe as supplier. The reason for the invasion was pure greed and not some stupid notions of NATO expansion or cries for help from Russian separatist groups.
I'm not sure if you're calling Putin a stupid man that is easily manipulated or incompetent. No politician ever in their lives did anything in good faith, Putin included. You must be very naive to think that.
Very cool that the argument boils down to "of course we were going to trick you, you are stupid for being tricked." I guess the lesson the world should learn is to never trust a Euroid and to respond to European peace overtures with uncompromising force.
Would you say Ukraine was "preparing for a possibly (sic)" when its Nazi special forces were creating Hitlerjugend-style child soldier training camps?
No politician ever in their lives did anything in good faith
"My country has broken hundreds of treaties and wipes its ass with international law, but it's actually OK because it's impossible for anyone to operate differently"
"Anyway, liberal democracy is the best because I get to choose the bad faith actor who will fuck me over."
I'm not sure if you're calling Putin a stupid man that is easily manipulated or incompetent.
They are parroting Russian propaganda. The one where “the west” is stipid, cunning, strong, and rotting all at the same time.
They are parroting Russian propaganda.
As a LLM (Leninist Language Model), I am programmed to parrot Russian propaganda at all times from the basement of the FSB Building in Lubyanka Square.
Beep Bloop.
What? There is no contradiction. The West has a global hegemony enforced by the world's biggest, most expensive murder organization. A lot of work and intelligent minds go into maintaining this hegemony, but the society it's built on is falling apart.
I don't think you would be calling this "propaganda" if you spoke to any regular people around you.
Yup, stupid and cunning. Cunning in the sense that they have a playbook developed over 7 decades to enforce their global hegemony which works damn well. Stupid in the sense that they don't realise that this is not the meta anymore. Think of it as a difference in tactics and strategy.
Reality is now Russian propaganda.
Say what you want, but at least Putin has proven he knows what a redline means.
Do not defame Parenti's good name like that you filthy lib.
Lmao what a cop out. At bare minimum Ukraine should have stopped allowing fascist paramilitary groups to shell civilians in the east, an act that was illegal a half a dozen other ways, too. And Angela Merkel admitted the agreements were not an attempt to actually resolve that issue or the issue of the west installing a hostile foreign government via coup, but to give Ukraine time to arm up to fight Russia:
In an interview published in Germany's Zeit magazine on Wednesday, former German chancellor Angela Merkel said that the Minsk agreements had been an attempt to "give Ukraine time" to build up its defences.
Well since neither of them included any sort of language to the effect of "Russia gets to invade if the terms of this agreement aren't upheld", I'm gonna go with more than two. Especially considering DPR forces kept pushing for Debaltseve after both agreements.
The same way Ukraine forgot to ask the families of Jewish people killed in the Holocaust if they could put up statues and monuments commemorating Nazi collaborators including OUN members who participated in carrying out the Holocaust?
On the other hand, who gives a shit if Russia burns for their ongoing aggression.
Not many people complain when an entire country reaches the "find out" part of "fuck around and find out" when they've had many years to course correct.
I think what they meant is that those planes are not getting to Russia before being destroyed.