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Fact-checking CNN’s presidential debate: How accurate were Joe Biden and Donald Trump?

www.poynter.org Fact-checking CNN’s presidential debate: How accurate were Joe Biden and Donald Trump? - Poynter

Biden and Trump clashed on topics including immigration, the economy, abortion and their ages.

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Fact checking Trump is pointless. The people who don't like him know every word out of his mouth is either a lie or a personal attack. The people who like him either don't care or won't believe you.

Fact checking Biden at that debate is pointless because everyone on both sides is going to care about how he lost his poise and fumbled so many words.
- If you care about facts, I think fact checking is important.
  
  I do. Most voters don't.
  
  it's not just facts. If Trump suddenly only said things that were true between now and polling day - but didnt change any of his policy positions- would you vote for him?
  
  And everyone who cares about facts would never vote for him.
- Yea but I always like reading Trump fact checking…. It’s like playing where’s Waldo where what you are really looking for it anything, anything at all that he said that is actually true.
  
  I don’t think the substance of the debate matters that much though, if at all.
  
  Biden looked so pathetic. All he had to do was go out there and talk about what a failure Trump is, then make fun of his small hands. Biden instead looked like an ailing grandfather in hospice with dementia
  
  You got a downvote for speaking the truth. Every media outlet is reporting on Biden not looking good out there. This isn't just biased reporting from one side to make Biden look bad. I'm a big fan of Biden and all he has tried to do AND actually done in his time with a split legislature, but watching the clips of him was rough. He actually talked about playing golf with Trump during a debate???
I'm pretty sure Biden didn't beat Medicare.

Biden pulled a Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Instead of declaring that he would not run for reelection early on, we now find ourselves in a situation where the end of American democracy is not only possible but probable.

EDIT: Downvote away but if you think a Trump win isn't the end of American democracy, then you are delusional.
- I think its only a RBG situation if Biden dies soon.
  
  It's more of a Diane Feinstein situation, where everyone can see the dementia progressing, but everyone around them has a vested interest in keeping the status quo.
  
  I don't think I'm capable of articulating just how fucked up it is that that level of nuance is even possible, let alone backed up with recent examples.
- Project 2025.. Fuck. Ukraine. Fuck. Palestine. Fuck. Biden needs to retire, seriously.
So most of Trump's are just outright lies, while most of Biden's are things like "Well it's true it happened but it's hard to know if it's because of him," or "It's true Trump said that a bunch of times but he hasn't been saying that lately."
We’re fucked.
They need a format that breaks the debate up into sections and actually includes fact checking, and a cross examination after each section. Have a team scrambling to find the records, studies, video clips and other evidence that they can bring up. Someone who is mostly honest gets lay ups and affirmation. Someone who lies constantly gets called out and put on the defensive.

Wouldn't happen of course. Even if the hosts were down to have someone take on a more adversarial role, Trump would never agree to something that actually holds him accountable for spewing nothing but bullshit. It's his entire strategy, if he can't sell snake oil he has nothing to sell at all.
I really hope this article isn’t giving Biden the credit that Greg Abbott earned.

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