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"Tankie" is to liberals as "woke" is to conservative liberals and fascists.

What word would you prefer to someone who tells you to your face that they intend to "put you up against the wall" and then asks if you "know what that means, you fucking lib"?

I mean, I'm a demsoc, and of the last 20 death threats I have received in my life, 15 came from people who identify as Communist-Leninist. PLEASE give me a better word for them.
- Funny because of the dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats I've gotten, practically all of them come from zionists, NAFOs, keyboard nazis or the occasional trumpeteer.
  
  Oh yeah!? Well I've received thousands, no, millions of death threats!
  
  Who are you people?
  
  Full disclosure, as a leftist I avoid those far-right areas like the plague. I'm quite certain I would receive more far-right death threats if I did not.
  
  so you admit that you get mostly leftist death threats because you avoid groups that would send more?
  
  Tankies don't get death threats from other tankies? I'm shocked!
  
  no but trans people get death threats from "anti-tankies"
  
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  You sound like a vooshite when you talk in this childish way, aren’t you embarrassed
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  How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
  
  I see no leftist here
- You don't know the difference between a demsoc and a socdem. You're not any kind of socialist, just a lib who likes the idea of being seen as leftist.
  
  And I bet you're fun at parties. Please oh great psychic, tell me more about myself?
  
  And actually, I do know the difference between demsoc and socdem. The formal definition for Social Democrat is "a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means." That we are constantly painted as "filthy liberal" for wanting to respect the will of the majority is a disappointing and disgusting lie. And the ONLY people who accuse socdems of being fake leftists? TANKIES. Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
  
  The only way I'm not a leftist is if your version of leftism says "fuck people, freedom, or democracy". In **your ** version of leftism, are you ok with being the 1% ruling by force against 99% who hate you? Think very carefully before replying to that.
  
  And I bet you're fun at parties
  
  Social Democrat is "a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means."
  
  That's what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
  
  Who are not, by any meaningful definition, more left than those of us with a soul.
  
  Speaking of succdems look how even in their mind palace they're already dehumanizing anyone to the left of them. This helps when they cooperate with and enable fascist parties like they do every time in history. "Tankies don't have a soul and they're going to kill you first so it's okay to let the nazis kill them actually" I'm a REAL leftist :D
  
  Social Democrat is “a supporter or advocate of a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.”
  
  That’s what a demsoc is. Social democrats support capitalism with social programs.
  
  You should tell Webster they're wrong. And Wikipedia. And Brittanica.
  
  By their definitions, a Socdem's insistence on using democracy at all costs is what differentiates between them and demsocs.
  
  By why is it so important for you to insist everyone use your nonstandard definition of the terms? Also, your calling us "succdems" tells me exactly everything I need to know about your permission. If I'm not willing to murder people, I'm less than human to you enough to be given a silly nickname.
  
  “Tankies don’t have a soul and they’re going to kill you first so it’s okay to let the nazis kill them actually” I’m a REAL leftist :D
  
  At this moment, you're on the wrong side of the "First they came for" poem because you're the one rejecting the Left.
  
  You should tell Webster they're wrong. And Wikipedia. And Brittanica.
  
  Not to call the editors of those fine resources for elementary school aged children stupid or anything, but the adjective-noun pairs "social democrat" and "democratic socialist" literally imply within the terms themselves what these things are. A democratic socialist is a socialist who uses democratic means. It's on the tin.
  
  At this moment, you're on the wrong side of the "First they came for" poem because you're the one rejecting the Left.
  
  This has to be a bit
  
  Yeah, it's the bit where I've gotten threats on my life.
  
  What does that have to do with you referencing a poem you never read the first two lines from?
  
  Can you show us a time this happened? Genuinely, people shouldn't throw around death threats to anyone but war criminals billionaires nazis transphobes and cops, so if thats happening to you just because you're an average liberal I don't support that
  
  or I'll have to assume you were on some cracker shit and actively supporting or being one of the aforementioned groups, in which case, lmao haha
  
  Merriam-Webster:
  
  Social democracy, noun
  a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices
  
  So, uh, capitalist, according to Webster. It is very funny to say "I totally know the difference between SocDem and DemSoc", and then go on to not know.
  
  However, I'll write something up here. I'm from Denmark, a SocDem country. The current prime minister is Mette Frederiksen of the Social Democrat party. We are almost at SocDem as you can get.
  
  This Social Democracy of Denmark formed around the time of the Soviet Union starting to get more influential, as the capitalists of Denmark found themselves needing to provide concessions to the working population, since an example of better worker rights was right next door. This was the birth of Social Democracy in Denmark. It expanded to have free healthcare, education, and a pretty strong social safety net. Now these things are of course nice for the people living in Denmark, however the second that the USSR fell, austerity started happening. I cannot remember a time in the last 20 years where the government wasn't trying to "save money". Now our healthcare system is crippled, education is getting defunded, and social safety is the same.
  
  The only reason that the capitalist class of Denmark gave the concessions they did, was because the Soviet Union was next door. This is the reality. The capitalists will never give you anything, unless their security is threatened. To be a Social Democrat, and rejecting revolution as a concept, is to just play into what capitalists want. Social Democracy is just another way to preserve capitalism. It's not a solution, it's a band-aid for a bullet wound - might stop the bleeding for a bit, but it sure as hell will get infected if it's not treated properly. At best it's harm reduction, at worst it's a detriment to the rights of the working class.
  
  I'm not even getting into the exploitation necessary to uphold Social Democracy, and some of the other more icky elements of the ideology. I'm just giving you an example of what has happened to every single Social Democracy currently. I understand that it's nice to think about, but I promise you that it's not the solution to the problem.
  
  The DemSocs at least have a problem with capitalism, however while their insistence on pacifism, and reform sounds very nice, it has literally not worked once in history. Not a single time. One of the only time it got close was with Allende in Chile, and the US fucking killed him, because you cannot fight empire with just words. I'm sorry, but that is the truth. You need to be able to fight counter-revolution, sabotage, sanctions, threats, war, espionage, etc. You cannot do this within the system that is funding all those things. You have to move away from capitalism entirely, suddenly, and forcefully, otherwise you will be crushed.
  
  Call me a tankie if you want, I don't care. But if you are going to call me this, at least tell me why. Tell me what part of what I just wrote is wrong.
  
  Sorry, cited the wrong dictionary I guess. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/social democrats . I'm surprised at Webster disagreeing with everyone else. I figured every dictionary would agree. The dictionaries using my definition are:
  
  Collins, Dictionary.com, Oxford English Dictionary, Brittanica, Cambridge, Wictionary
  
  So I've got mud on my face, citing the only source that disagrees with me.
  
  But fine. If it really matters that much to a couple people, then there's not a term for what I am. I'm not a DemSoc because I don't realistically think we will achieve complete socialism in my lifetime and I think that's OK in the short term as long as we improve things, and actually preferable until people actually want socialism. That doesn't make me a capitalist.
  
  Also you're going off mainstream liberal dictionaries and not how the left as a cluster of organized movements has come to definitions for its working purposes. So you're coming at it from an outside (liberal) perspective which reads as an indicator you're a liberal.
  
  The problem with dictionaries is that they describe the popular use of a word, not necessarily the academically correct one. I only used the dictionary because it was honestly too easy to do a gotcha there.
  
  A great example of dictionaries being "wrong" is the word "factoid". A factoid originally is a popular piece of information that is actually incorrect or false - a popular lie. Now the word factoid is in many dictionaries described as being "an insignificant or trivial fact", which is like, the exact opposite of the original meaning of the word. I'm 100% sure that in certain universities, I would be marked down for using "factoid" as "fun fact", even though dictionaries seem to think this is fine.
  
  The original meaning of the word Social Democrat was a heavily discussed topic even in the beginning of the Soviet Union. After WW2, it was even popular within Socialist/Communist circles to call SocDems, "Social Fascists", as the enabling of the SocDems in Germany (SPD) helped the Nazis attain power, since they positioned themselves against the rest of the "left". SocDems will always rather align themselves with capital, rather than the "actual left", because the entire ideology reinforces capitalism. The reason people are mad at you here, is that SocDems have historically, every single time, helped the fascists rather than the socialists when push comes to shove. It's the reason for the quote "Social Democracy is the moderate wing of fascism". Now you can disagree with that last part, but this is history. Schumacher did betray the socialists. And he always would have, because Social Democracy is a capitalist ideology, which is why Marxists refuse to let them call themselves socialists. You cannot believe in capitalism, and socialism at the same time. They are opposites.
  
  DemSocs on the other hand, are Reformist Socialists. They are who the dictionaries should actually refer to. They are the people who believe that a peaceful reformist transition from capitalism to socialism is the way to go, even though it has never worked. They believe that if you just vote hard enough, the capitalists will just let the poor take away their power. I don't actively dislike them, but I think it is very very naive.
  
  Marxists are usually Revolutionary Socialists, who believe in revolution as a way to make change. This has worked several times in history, and there are several countries in the world right now that still exist after a socialist revolution, and are doing as well as you can considering that the entire western world is sanctioning them.
  
  Marx hated Social Democrats btw. When one of the founding figures of the ideology does not think that a Social Democrat is a socialist, then I dunno what to tell you.
  
  In short, the dictionaries are wrong. In an academic setting those definitions would be rejected instantly. People just do not understand what these ideologies are, so they use the words the wrong way. These words get used the wrong way enough, and the dictionaries will change to fit, as that is what dictionaries do. But the original meaning, that is part of the books that many of us read about these subjects, do not match with the dictionaries. If you referred to dictionary definition in a Political Science class, you would not pass, I assure you.
  
  I'm less than human to you enough to be given a silly nickname
  
  did you think this one through at all? like, give it even a seconds thought?
  
  God, you're such a big dumb idiot of a lib. That's the definition of a democratic socialist, not a social democrat - you can tell by the way one of the groups are call socialists and the others are called democrats. Not only did you mix up your definitions, but you never actually managed to define democratic socialist - do you really know what the difference is if you can't even remember to talk about one of them? The answer, scrolling down your post history to where you called yourself a socdem, is no, you think they're the exact same thing, because you don't even have a surface level understanding of leftism. It only takes 5 minutes in leftist spaces to discover that anarchists, socialists, and communists of all flavour hate socdems for exactly your "no really, somehow we'll manage to vote socialism in this time" attitude, but you've never spent a single minute in them, because you're not a leftist.
  
  My version of leftism is called Marxism and is based in historical reality and current material conditions. Your version is fantastical utopianism that's convinced the elite are just going to give up the reigns any day now.
- Communist
  
  How many leftists do you have to execute to earn your colors?
  
  None, just liberals willing to go along to get along with fascists. Which you are.
- Death threats are an inappropriate and disproportiate response but have you considered that it is because you're more irritating to the left than you are to the right? Especially given how right wingers historically are massively more violent?
Well, "communist" isn't quite accurate. It works well enough

Are the tankies in the room with us right now sweetie?

Oh fuck off lol. The biggest instance literally preemptively removedd from everyone left of Bernie Sanders. Go back to reddit if you're afraid of getting called out for being politically illiterate.

I'm guessing your autocorrect didn't like the word "defederated" and turned it into a word that's a slur if you don't include the 'd' at the end? lol

also I agree with your comment.

edit- Who wouldn't want to be called an outfox?
- Lol yeah I was on my way back from my lunch break when I typed that no clue what it autocorrected too
  
  I'm guessing it dropped the F and rearranged the rest into the R slur. I can't think of any other word with most of those letters, and it is a word otuside of the slur context, a verb meaning "to slow down"
  
  Defederate but with a g for the f and a n for the d is also filtered iirc.
  
  yep that was probably it lol

there's no such thing as a tankie, the word literally has no meaning

Death to America

Death to all tankies, hooyah America, KILL THE BEAR. Ready to set 1SQ for strategic nuclear launch! Fuck the Kremlin, and fuck the CCP!
- Okay so I followed the first part, you want Russians dead and all that, it's the thing rn. But you realize saying "launch the nukes" is exactly the same thing as "death to America" but with more steps, right?
  
  What can I say, I want to actually do the job I trained for sometimes. Besides, the way the qoeld is going makes me less and less hesitant to actually flip the toggle switch when the order comes. Maybe that's the point.
  
  get help please
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  I know they're Great Power Conflict adversaries, and I know my job is to put warheads on foreheads when directed. Everything else is just ammo for the IC community, SW, SO and MISO. Hooyah America.

tankies

Did you mean communists? Common westerner mistake

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- You've been lied to. All are treated as equally too far left, hence all commieș are tąnkies.

"Everyone to the left of me isn't being actively purged from the platform and it's not to my tastes"

Fucking leave then

Lol, that's not what they said at all. Somebody seems a little defensive.

Lmao

What's a tankie?

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- Hell yea

Frankly i don't think there's nearly enough tankies to offset the neolibs but i have a feeling I'm in the minority. Eh! Fun times we're in

I'm a demsoc. I want to respect Communism more, but I never get death threats from liberals and do occasionally get death threats from Tankies.

It sucks because I feel they'd make a good ally to compromise with if they weren't hoping to have me executed for not supporting an authoritarian seizure of power.
- Well, i can't speak to your experience but I'm a commie who doesn't dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!
  
  For my part i get called a "traitor" and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.
  
  But your point stands, no death threats.
  
  Well, i can’t speak to your experience but I’m a commie who doesn’t dig a forced central planning authority. Or death threats even!
  
  Well that's a breath of fresh air. That's very different from what I've seen. I do have to point out what I said elsewhere, that I feel Communists have a responsibility to speak against violent communism, the same way "good cops" can only be good if they speak out against bad cops. (I know how most Communists feel about police, but at least I hope you can appreciate the intent of the parallel)
  
  For my part i get called a “traitor” and such by libs often, simply for criticizing the DNC et al.
  
  I think using the word "traitor" in a situation like that is terrible. I do take it personally if someone treats the DNC as "just as bad as Trump" after he managed to cause an unprecedented amount of devastation between his immigration policies, "pay me" COVID handling, and open hatred of marginalized groups and "great people on both sides" support for groups like the KKK... But as much as I am disappointed when people put even a moderate like Biden in the same boat as him, I wouldn't use the word "traitor".
  
  But your point stands, no death threats.
  
  I would love if I met more Communists who are more willing to have constructive conversation with the other Leftist groups, instead of the ones that group all of us in a wide-net neoliberal basket that includes everyone from Bernie Sanders to Adolf Hitler. So, thank you :)
- By the silent downvote I take it that you think getting so many death threats is normal and not possibly linked to being an extremely weird person who argues with perhaps even weirder people
  
  Which "silent downvote" are you talking about?
  
  And how exactly did you conclude I'm a "weird person" in this scenario? Obviously I'm arguing with weirder people, we're talking about tankies.
  
  EDIT: Just looked through your post history and cannot seem to find any I downvoted.
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- Do you ever think maybe it's weird that you get many death threats? I think have ever had one in my life and I've conversed with many many mentally... unhealthy people
  
  I'm a Social Democrat, who used to be a Democratic Socialist. The Right sees me as a Communist and McCarthyism kicks in. Did you hear about the "Physical Removal" movement? A meme-like movement about giving the Left helicopter rides to the middle of the ocean. I lived in a farm town where 40% of the voters were overcompensating for the Right not being able to win a rural area by being very outspoken anti-left.
  
  And then, the Left. When I considered myself to be a demsoc, I tried to hang out in LSC on reddit. Not sure if you know it, but they eventually got banned for all the death threats coming out of there. There is an attitude around some percent of Communists that non-Communist lives don't matter. They might be a minority, but they're outspoken.
  
  That was what got me to realize the flaw in being a demsoc, and I shifted laterally (NOT to the Right as several people like to pretend) to Social Democrat. Then I got more death threats because Communists have a hard-on of insisting Socdems are literally the same category as fascists.
  
  I DO think it's weird that I've gotten and get death threats over my views, and I understand why so many people my age have given up having any views at all and just become "I just vote a party and go about my day" folks that are part of the problem.
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  You have my sympathy. Even when I was actively involved with pro-LGBTQ movements, there were people marching for rights that that didn't respect bisexuals.
  
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