Local govt departments in China deploy DeepSeek models to aid govt work
Local govt departments in China deploy DeepSeek models to aid govt work
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- AI garbage AI garbage, China
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come fuckin on dude come on dont be crackers
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they'd be crackers if they started throwing money at a private company like openai to operate a closed source model and charge subscriptions for it
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LLMs have tons of useful and harmful applications. Hard to have an opinion on this without knowing the specifics
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this isn't a government AI management system, this is just China's version of ChatGPT. This is bullshit, you can't govern on a god damn chatbot.
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I don't think they're governing with it, it sounds like they're using agents to automate and handle small tasks. They're essentially fancy macros that you can interface with using natural language.
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Exactly, a lot of people have a knee jerk reaction when seeing LLMs mentioned, but the real question is the context this tech is used in. The incentives for government use would be completely different from those in private companies trying to monetize it. For example, it's easy to imagine how this could make a lot of government services a lot more accessible. It could provide a more natural interface for finding stuff people need online for example, help fill out forms, etc.
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Like everything else, the answer is limits
Let’s see if China plays this right
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Can China start using a much cheaper, open source LLM to legitimately improve all aspects of their life and build towards socialism at a faster pace?
I know there is a lot of hate for LLMs coming out of capitalist nations, for a lot of good reasons, but I'm happy to see a counter experiment being run in China of how these things can be utilized positively when profit motive is largely taken out of the equation.
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these are capitalist elements within china, praising capitalism but in china is not what we as communists shouldn't be doing. Increase socialist reforms, increase socialist economy, and not embracing west tailism
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Is using any technology that is invented first in the west considered tailism, or only LLMs?
I don't understand how it is praising capitalism to see use in technology created out of a capitalist mode of production.
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I think so, these being government initiatives means that the incentives are fundamentally different from ones we see when this tech is driven by vulture capital. I find a lot of the hate for LLMs stems from the capitalist context and people seem unable to separate these things.
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I think people here haven't been keeping up with how much progress and how thoroughly AI has already been integrated within Chinese society: https://xcancel.com/wrenevans217208/status/1846550898635637024
Some more points to add:
- China is completely dominant in AI research. There is the joke that AI research papers are either written by scientists where half the scientists are Chinese or written by scientists where all the scientists are Chinese. And I can assure you, the best and brightest Chinese minds aren't figuring out ways to develop a better chatbot.
- China has already pushed out self-driving cars and busses in tier 1 cities. Self-driving busses have been a thing in Guangzhou for at least half a decade at this point. I've also seen videos of people boarding self-driving taxis, but they largely didn't like it lol.
- China is beginning to experiment with dark factories. There was that hype clip by Xiaomi a while back about how they're going to open a dark factory for their smartphones. Even if you're skeptical about how this particular factory would pan out, I've seen another Chinese company trying to do the same except they're trying to open a mine that's completely run by robots. China is obviously interested in dark factories and are going to put their best minds to crack this nut.
- AI development and integration within Chinese society is one of the reasons why China is trying so hard to develop a viable fusion reactor. AI means massive energy consumption, and the ultimate plan is for that massive energy consumption to be fulfilled by nuclear fusion. The only real argument against AI goes out the window if Chinese nuclear scientists can find the holy grail.
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Exactly, people keep thinking AI is basically just hallucinating chat bots because that's largely what we see in the west. Meanwhile in China, this tech is actually being applied productively because there's actual planning being done at state level to nudge its development towards socially useful directions.
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The Great Treat Forward
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Are these models able to run locally with better efficiency than the server farms?
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Depends on the size. I'm running a distilled version locally and it's pretty snappy, but output isn't quite as good as the full sized on. My expectation is that we'll see a lot more optimization happening in the coming years. It's also worth noting that the incentive for the government would be to reduce cost which creates further incentive to make this stuff more efficient.
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