They've clearly given up pretending it isn't a Nazi salute
They've clearly given up pretending it isn't a Nazi salute
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The fellow travelers will continue to deny it, while the self-identified fascists will become progressively more open with it. Vance and Musk and the rest of the reactionary neo-fascists don't need to convince the average Republican they aren't fascists, the average Republican has spent a decade or more pretending that the Republican Party hasn't happily made itself a home for fascism in public life.
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The question I keep asking my conservative family is, "When do we start to be concerned, at what point do we call them Nazis?"
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It's scary to think this kind of conversation is very similar to ones people had in 1930s Germany. Some people realised it was all going downhill quite early, some never admitted it was happening at all.
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This tactic aims specifically at having the left discuss it. This gives Nazis a chance to reframe the discussion and promote their agenda. Source: https://www.salon.com/2025/01/22/elon-musks-salute-falls-flat-why-far-right-trolling-isnt-working-this-time/
What we should be doing instead of discussing this? Nazis will feel empowered to take the streets, as it happened in Ohio and Cincinnati. Just for the sake of historical accuracy, I suggest you study the history of the 1970's anti-nazi practices in East London.
They solved their Nazi problems for years to come. Just go out and have some self-care. Touch grass. /s
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Are you sure he can lift his arms that high?
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Doesn't have to, he'll do the classic Hitler receiving salute.
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They don't have to pretend, the media is doing it for them.
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He probably just saw some bird and he pointed at it surprised, or maybe it was a sudden rise in blood flow in his right arm leading to it stiffening. He could also have meant something entirely different with his strange gesture. While we can agree it was very odd, you can't just accuse
nazisright-wing politicians of doing the Hitler salute without strong evidence!-
or maybe it was a sudden rise in blood flow in his right arm leading to it stiffening.
Ugh, I hate random arm boners.
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Its pathetic what america has become and that the citizens that live they are just rolling over and giving up.
Probably going to have to rely on another country to do their dirty work
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I'm not going Luigi or anything, sure.
But I've definitely increased my community involvement and volunteer activities locally by orders of magnitudes.
America is done for, but that doesn't mean I and others can't create sustainable and thriving local communities. It has to start somewhere.
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Its a good attitude to have
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Getting kind of tired of this attitude, you don't know me, you don't know anything about me or the people around me. What the fuck would YOU realistically be doing.
And don't reply to me with some list of the "resistance" style bullshit you claim to be capable of or whatever you can come up with.
THE PEOPLE are not one massive entity, so stop lumping us all together. We are fucking struggling here my guy
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The armchair revolutionaries across the world are more than welcome to put their money where their mouth is and back a resistance they want to see by supplying and training it.
For the record, I’m not talking about violent actions here. I’m saying that the individuals who are most likely to join in on mass protests and the like are also the most vulnerable.
America has been a slave empire for the benefit of the rich for well over 200 years. Sorry that I haven’t been able to personally end all that.
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Two thirds of your population didn't even bother to vote. Then half of those who did vote wanted this. 5/6 of the population was fine with it. It's now clear to the rest of the world that this wasn't an accident, this is what the majority accepted, and it doesn't reflect well on the country as a whole.
You as an individual may not like it, but that's the situation.
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The people who make comments like this have no idea of the situation most of us are in here.
There have been sizeable protests despite the facts that many can't afford to take time off work, risk losing their job for taking time off, have to travel great distances to get to protests, and other things. Getting arrested can ruin the rest of your life in some situations.
Oh, and most of us aren't suicidal, so the whole "get a gun and go after those important people" ain't a thing because that's a damn good way to end up in a body bag for little to no effect. There's a point where that is a relevant option compared to available alternatives but we're not there yet.
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One the one hand, I'm with you 100%. That was also my gut reaction to the comment you replied to.
But I have to keep reminding myself that I'm not an accurate representative of America. You and I are outliers, and Trump is a better representation of Americans than either of us right now. And we got here with complacency.
So yes, I agree with everything you said, but also Americans as a whole, including you and I, are failing. We're losing the battle, and real people are really suffering. Maybe we can each do more, or maybe not, but it does not change the reality that what we are doing is not enough. Sometimes you try your best and you still lose.
That's not an argument against trying. But maybe we reevaluate our tactics and our goals. Maybe we won't be able to win hearts and minds by taking the high road. Maybe America doesn't deserve peace and complacency.
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That's a ridiculous thing to say. When haven't we relied on a foreign workforce to do our work for us?
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Kinda like 1939 Germany right? How many countries do we need to invade before someone steps up to be the adult? And who would it be, China?
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