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SassyRamen @lemmy.world

4d ago

Here the fuck we go again

Oblivion Remasterd Deluxe Edition is reminding us all of the fall of gaming.

That ~~smile~~ horse armor. That damned ~~smile~~ horse armor.

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This is the only reason they remastered the game. They wanted to sell the horse armor again.

I cannot believe the number of suckers who fell for this cash grab. It's just a fucking $50 graphics mod.
- They saw Diablo II and said "fuck yeah"

all i needed to know was.. https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/69672
- Are you implying by that that mods are being prevented from operating? The second line implies the opposite .. "If you are experiencing gameplay issues while playing with mods, it's recommended you first try uninstalling your mods"
  'Supported' could means that Bethesda will basically ignore any problem reports or support requests whilst mods (which are completely out of their control) are installed - seems reasonable to me.
  
  This. When have developers actually put in support for mods, except for paid bullshit like the content store?
- Mods are not supported "officially" but check NexusMods and then get back with me
  
  THEIR BREAKING THE EULA!? TODD! TODD THEY DIDN'T READ THE EULA!!!
- Says mods are not supported, but then goes on to suggesting you uninstall mods if you're experiencing an issue with them.
  Sounds less like the game itself can't be modded, and more like they can't provide support for issues stemming from mods. Which has literally always been the case.
- Wtf happened to bethesda
  Who will make the game then ? It’s like firing their entire dev team
  
  Wtf happened to bethesda
  Todd
- But no game officially supports mods, at first. Like 99% of mods for games are made without the developer’s assistance or blessing. That’s part of being a mod developer, figuring out how to do shit. I honestly want developer’s hands off of the community
  
  That's absolutely not true anymore. Many games support mods now, and Steam Workshop is a thing.
  
  This is definitely untrue and the reason some games have 18,000 mods and some games have 0 is almost entirely down to developer cooperation.
  Sometimes if a game is using an existing engine that is known to be moddable, you can get a community built off of some pre-existing knowledge and kind of strike out on your own to build a mod. In most cases if the devs didn't build the game with mod support in mind you're not getting any mods.
  
  I'm fairly sure Bethesda released Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind with officially supported mod toolkits shipping on day one. The reason their games have official mod tools is to make it much easier to work with which leads to the huge number of mods in their games compared to other games, and contributes to the longevity of their games.
- Made in unreal engine so fewer bugs, in the very least.
  Edit: I was wrong. Infinite leveling, duplication, and teleportation are still on the menu.
  
  Nope! AFAIK Unreal is only used for rendering, not logic. So you'll get the bugs from Bethesdas engine with the performance of Unreal 5.
  
  Unreal Engine is all I need to know to avoid a game.
- Why in the world would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?
  
  Because they don't make money from mods and this was an obvious cash grab from the beginning. If Bethesda had any good ideas they'd be making a game out of them. They don't, so instead they're reselling you the same game they already sold you 19 years ago with a fresh coat of paint on it. A million people will buy it anyway because nostalgia, Bethesda gets their money, and whatever happens afterward is not their concern.
- Ah, so it's going to flop hard, at least by Beth standards
  They scared a lot of us away with Shitfield, if I can't fix it with mods then I'm not gonna bother even pirating that shite
  
  Starfield? Try Fallout 76.
  Hell, Fallout 4 was still not a great game, but at least it was functional and had a story. As soon as they announced that there was zero NPCs in Fallout 76, I knew that they COMPLETELY lost the plot, and the point of any of their previous RPGs.
- ???
  What's even the point, then?
  
  $$$

The horse armor being the deluxe upgrade bonus is actually funny. I'm very much fine with it. It's an intentional joke.
I'm less clear on the expansions being in the base game. Their messaging for the deluxe edition suggests they'd be part of it. Either way the messaging around it sucks and that's less funny.
- All of the original DLC, including the infamous horse armour, is included in the base game. The Deluxe edition adds OST, art book, and some new armours, weapons, and horse gear that are new to the remaster.
  
  So I understand correctly that the deluxe edition contains even more horse armour?
  Because if, that is absolutely hilarious.
  
  Good to know, but that is EXTREMELY not how the Steam page reads:
  The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered Deluxe Edition includes:
  Digital base game
  New quests for unique digital Akatosh and Mehrunes Dagon Armors, Weapons, and Horse Armor Sets
  Digital Artbook and Soundtrack App
  Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine story expansions
  Additional downloadable content: Fighter’s Stronghold, Spell Tomes, Vile Lair, Mehrune’s Razor, The Thieves Den, Wizard’s Tower, The Orrery, and Horse Armor Pack
  Both the text and the image seem deliberately engineered to equivocate about this, which IMO sucks a lot more than actually selling some horse cosmetics as a ha-ha joke thing.

I don't know why people still give bethesda money; they've clearly not had the players' best interests in mind for ages. Don't buy their cash-grab bullshit!
- Microsoft, and by extension Bethesda, is currently a big target of the BDS boycotts as well. Hard pass on this one for the time being.
- That's a given these days. I'll never understand what people like about these half assed games. That Bethesda look that all these games have is just disgusting.
  
  One of my oldest, dearest friends drives me up a fucking wall with his insistence on prepurchasing all the slop that EA and Ubisoft and Bethesda churn out. His library of games that are >28% completed is unparalleled.
  
  Still better face customisation for orcs than everyone's favourite Baldurs Gate 3.

I have already returned it.
Runs like ass on the Steam Deck even though it's verified. As soon as you get out of the sewer, the framerate drops and it barely manages to keep 30fps with bad framedrops all over the place, even on lowest settings and then you get some muddy blur that looks far worse than the original and it's barely recognizable due to all the AI-Upscale rendering artifacts.
I have just played Cyberpunk 2077 and it ran and looked so much better on the same device (and after that horrendous launch I never thought that time would come, when I would use it as a good example).
Also I quickly understood why it's called a remaster. Pretty much nothing has changed except for Textures and Models and the few gameplay improvements (and let's be honest here, Oblivion desperately needs them), you can get a so much better experience with mods for the original and make it a really immersive game.
The probably missing mod support was the final nail in the coffin. I may install the original again, as I really like Oblivion, or maybe I will just wait for Skyblivion, as it looks so much better than anything I saw here.
My expectations for TES VI are getting lower and lower. I'm pretty sure this is juat a cheap testrun for Bethesda to check if they can get away without having to put any work into a new engine and just outsource the Unreal graphics to the lowest bidder.

It’s new cosmetic horse armor. The original DLC armors are included in the base remaster, at least.

Unless you need something, let's continue on to Weynon Priory

At least it’s not being sold separately.
My favorite official DLC for Oblivion is the Wizard’s Tower. I crashed the game stealing everything and storing it all in the attic.
- Technically it is. This is part of the deluxe edition upgrade. $10.
  
  Experience everything Oblivion has to offer with previously released story expansions Shivering Isles, Knights of the Nine, and additional downloadable content included in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered.
  I'm pretty sure it's at least being implied on the steam page that all the original DLC is included in the base game. And if you look at the deluxe upgrade:
  Upgrade from the digital base game to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered Deluxe Edition to receive:
  New quests for unique digital Akatosh and Mehrunes Dagon Armors, Weapons, and Horse Armor Sets
  Digital Artbook and Soundtrack App
  It doesn't look like it includes the "additional downloadable content" that includes the wizard's tower.

I still don't get it. Why this? Why not skyblivion?
- MONEY :)
- My question is when will skyblivion be released, or is it already? I saw a video about it awhile ago, but haven't heard anything else about it.
  
  It's scheduled for a release this year.

Am I the only person tired of remakes?
- I have no issue with remakes themselves. Games are a kind of art, and good art should be kept alive for the next generations to enjoy. The problem to me is:
  the only thing big studios now want to put out remakes/remasters of the backlog they already made because its a safe and easy cash grab. One of the top comments about there being 7 skyrims and 2 oblivions before ES6 is soo real man. Its like all the people who founded the companies who were responsible for creative novel design/story that gave big titles their soul in the 2000s no longer exist in the industry except a few indie devs. Now all big game companies are just run by business associates without a shred of humanity outsourcing everything for a quick buck.
  Graphics have plateud from late 2010s and onward. Remastered and remaked stuff made a lot more since for the ps2/xbox and backwards, with the ps3/x360 1080p resolution it made a little less sense but I could still understand them porting like TLOU to ps4 at 4k or whatever. But now were remastering games that came out 5 years ago at 4k and trying to sell it as some huge graphical overhaul worth the asking price. Maybe im insane or old but my eyes can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, going from 4k to 8k is like the same picture with slightly different shaders.
  
  I agree with most of your sentiment, but if you can't tell the difference between a clean 1080p image and a clean 4k image, then you either have a terrible display or you need to get your eyes checked. 4k to 8k is less notable of a change, much like going from 240hz display to a 480hz display.
  
  Big agree.
- A lot of my friends just won't play "old" games. If the graphics don't look somewhat modern, they physically cannot bring themselves to touch it. I showed my girlfriend system shock 2 and she audibly laughed at me wondering how I could stand it. Another friend refunded vampire the masquerade because he could not get over how old the game looks.
  So yeah I think unfortunately they're a necessary evil for people to get in touch with some of these older classics.
  
  This is the only way some people will play it.

Marketing asshats: so... How do we get more people talking about the release? No press is bad press remember!
DO THE PAID HORSE ARMOR THING!

oh it's here already? dang, there was one whole .jpeg of marketing and now it's here... it feels weird for some reason
- Yeah, I was also a little shocked

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