Democratic support for Biden ticks up on handling of Israel-Hamas war, AP-NORC poll says
Democratic support for Biden ticks up on handling of Israel-Hamas war, AP-NORC poll says
President Joe Biden is getting slightly more support among Democrats for his handling of the decades-old conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.
Democratic views on how President Joe Biden is handling the decades-old conflict between Israelis and Palestinians have rebounded slightly, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.
The shift occurred during a time in which Biden and top U.S. officials expressed increased concern about civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip, emphasized the need for a future independent Palestinian state and helped secure the release of hostages held by Hamas during a temporary truce.
Fifty-nine percent of Democrats approve of Biden’s approach to the conflict, a tick up from 50% in November. His latest standing is roughly equivalent to Democrats’ 57% approval rating for him on the issue in an August poll, conducted well before the latest war began on Oct. 7 when Hamas attacked Israel.
Still, the issue remains divisive among Democrats, who are less enthusiastic about Biden’s handling of the war than his overall job performance. Seventy-five percent of Democrats said Biden is doing well as president, also up slightly from 69% last month. His approval rating among U.S. adults stands at 41%.
Biden was going to piss off some group of people due to how polarizing the conflict is. I always thought he was doing pretty well even when it began.
His only sore spot seems to come from giving a lot of support to Israel, as they ARE one of our allies, and for us to just ignore that would look bad to our other allies. Especially after having a terrorist attack on their country by the Hamas. Geopolitics being complex beast.
But he has been advocating for civilian safety and making sure the water doesn't get turned off......
Can't say I would've done much better or anyone else here.
I know many are calling for a "permanent" ceasefire........but there was already a ceasefire before this. So, we would just be waiting until it gets "broken" again. Probably by another Hamas attack. Who ARE terrorists and want Israel eliminated altogether.
Let's not also forget if Trump was in charge then this situation would've been handled a lot less gracefully. Or even spiral out of control.
Let's not also forget if Trump was in charge then this situation would've been handled a lot less gracefully. Or even spiral out of control.
He'd be screaming on Twitter about how they won't let him use nukes.
https://www.axios.com/2023/12/01/gaza-ceasefire-collapse-israel-hostages
From the article:
Driving the news: According to the ceasefire agreement, Hamas committed to releasing all the women and children it was holding hostage in exchange for a pause in fighting for up to nine days. More than 80 women and children were released over the last week as part of this process.
Yes, but: In the hours leading to the end of the pause, Hamas did not send a list of hostages it would release, the three Israeli officials said.
Instead, Hamas sent messages through Qatari and Egyptian mediators proposing to start a discussion on what concessions Israel would be willing to give in return for the release of elderly men, the officials added. Behind the scenes: The Israeli officials said Israel made it clear to the mediators that it knows Hamas still has several women in its custody and that it would not discuss future deals before all the women were released.
Mossad chief David Barnea, the lead negotiator on the Israeli side, sent a message to Hamas through the mediators on Thursday night that stressed Israel was "not playing games" and that if the women were not released, the fighting would resume, a senior Israeli official said. Not long after that Hamas launched a rocket from Gaza for the first time since the pause started. An hour later the ceasefire completely broke down. The U.S. has also publicly blamed Hamas for the collapse of the ceasefire. The other side: Hamas official Osama Hamdan told Al-Araby news channel that Israel was responsible for the failure. He said that the women Israel proposed to be released included female IDF soldiers.
Hamdan added that Israel refused any other offer made. Hamas in a statement said it had offered to release elderly men and two Israeli hostages, as well as the bodies of hostages it said were killed during Israeli airstrikes in Gaza. The bodies included a mother and her two children, the statement added. Hamas said it offered to release the father of the children so that he could attend their funeral.
Violence during ceasefire:
Eighteen Palestinians have been killed and at least 20 others injured by the Israel Defence Forces during an hours-long daytime raid on Jenin city and its refugee camp in the occupied West Bank.
In the latest escalation in violence on the West Bank, occurring against the background of Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, the IDF said an airstrikehit an armed squad of men in the city.
AP reports that Israeli troops fatally shot two Palestinians and wounded 11 others as they headed toward [their homes in] the main combat zone in northern Gaza despite warnings by the Israeli army to stay put.
I'm just glad he didn't try to stick to his guns, and actually started listening to us, paying attention to the resignations and shit. Otherwise he was gonna go down with that ship, and maybe take us with him.
Biden's policy has not undergone any significant changes regarding Israel at all.
The Biden admin has been urging restraint while backing Israel for 100% of this conflict.
Here he is prior to Israel's invasion, doing exactly that.
I feel like Biden has been pretty good about listening to the public and generally tries to get the best outcome for people even in shit situations.
Over 30 years as chairman of the Foreign Relations committee and 8 years as VP and you know what his thinking was or if it changed?
Yes, quite easily. He was fully on Netanyahu's side, now he is steadily moving away from him. From this I can conclude that he has decided that supporting Netanyahu is no longer a good idea.
My reasonings why are more supposition, as opposed to any kind of confirmable fact. I cannot read the man's mind, of course. But, some things are more likely than others.
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Turns out the less you slob Israel's knob, the more support you get. Who would've thunk?
Well the discovery of an enormous weapons cache near a school and clinic helped realign people's understanding.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-776786
The testimonials of the rape victims helped realign people's understanding. (obvious TW here)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7050237
Finding out aid groups in Palestine were sitting on hoards of supplies, because Hamas ordered them to, helped realign people's understanding.
Finally, a global rise in antisemitism helped clarify where a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment comes from.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/antisemitism-rise-us-amid-ongoing-israel-hamas-war/story?id=104485604
At its worst, Israel enjoyed the same support levels that Ukraine has. It's really just places with a heavy leftist presence that gives the opposite impression.
This war sucks, and most people would love a change in Israeli policy now and in the future as well as an ouster of Israel's right-wing, but there is clearly one least-bad group here and it ain't Hamas.
Even the most radical person here shouting "genocide supporter" at me later today doesn't support Hamas. They have less than 1% support in the US.
Definition of "least bad of 2 bad choices."
"Least bad group" in this case indiscriminatingly bombing a civilian population seems quite the bar position to get that tag.
Opinion: I don't think the "leftists" are saying that Hamas isn't terrible. The issue is that Israel is either going to create a whole new generation ready to create a new terror group and start the cycle over, or they are going to effectively destroy that generation. Both of which don't really mesh with an idea that it's totally a defensive push.
And hopefully it didn't need pointing out, but there is a weird disconnect with antisemitism vs anti-Israel: the former tends to be far-right individuals not wanting Jewish humans in their country while the latter tends to focus more on anti-Zionist groups within the county of Israel. Far-right groups tend to be much more pro-Israel due to it meaning either end of the world types or just happy they're "no longer in much country."
Imagine President Biden saying, "And then we fell in love." about any head of state, especially Kim Jong Un.
Our media would never stop crapping on him for it Just sayin'
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic views on how President Joe Biden is handling the decades-old conflict between Israelis and Palestinians have rebounded slightly, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.
The shift occurred during a time in which Biden and top U.S. officials expressed increased concern about civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip, emphasized the need for a future independent Palestinian state and helped secure the release of hostages held by Hamas during a temporary truce.
Views on the Middle East could shift again now that fighting has resumed in the Gaza Strip, where Hamas is headquartered and thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israeli strikes.
“I’ve been very straightforward and blunt with our Israeli friends in private about what I think they have to do and the burden they have and the commitment they have from me and my administration,” Biden said at a campaign fundraiser in Boston this week.
Sixty-seven percent of U.S. adults call freeing hostages an extremely or very important goal, with majorities of Democrats and Republicans in agreement.
Twenty-eight percent of Republicans said it’s extremely or very important for the U.S. to provide humanitarian relief to Palestinians in Gaza, versus 65% of Democrats.
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