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Red Hat stops all upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/fprintd (hadess.net)

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- I really hope journalists stop called IBM Red Hat. Red Hat is dead.
- "Red Hat" (IBM)
What do you get when you merge a company with IBM?
IBM.
- You get what you fuckin deserve!
- Annoying commercials about "the cloud" and some robot they built 30 years ago.
  
  But Watson!!!!
All these corporations looking to kill off their own relevance. They all in the same death cult or something?
- Never forget, in a capitalist system, every firm will always eventually try to get as many people as possible, to pay as much as possible, for as little as possible.
  Enshitification
- They all in the same death cult or something?
  Yeah, capitalism it seems like.
  I guess asking for sustainable business practices is too much to ask for from the system. "Sufficient" money is never good enough. Gotta try to get all the money, even if it means burning down everything one holds dear.
  Hell, the system is literally willing to burn down the whole world in pursuit of more. The more you think about it, the more senseless it all becomes.
- It's called enshittification - Cory Doctorow invented the term.
- All these corporations looking to kill off their own relevance. They all in the same death cult or something?
  IBM uses mostly Windows in house, so they are not interested in desktop Linux and apparently then nobody else would be either.
Hope that backfire on IBM.
- Yes, it will but so slowly and further down the road, nobody at IBM will see the connection. When Fedora (or desktop Linux in general) will be slightly less appealing to people who in 10 years will become the decision makers at IT departments, it'll weaken the position of Linux and in turn the commercial support providers.
  Guess, everyone who does not yet own a Steam Deck needs to get one because Valve seems to be the biggest commercial proponent of consumer GNU/Linux.
https://www.hadess.net/2023/08/new-responsibilities.html?m=1
- this is bad
- Thanks for linking the actual article!
- Honestly, they just keep lowering the value paying them brings. Execs barely want to pay them in the first place, why would I as the engineer or IT solutioner care about putting money towards support if they keep abandoning projects...
- For non-gnome-users none of that matters. Only thing I ever touched from that was upower, but not even using that.
Farewell, Red Hat. Thanks for all your good work throughout the years. Sucks you sold out to IBM
These kind of changes are absolutely infuriating, and what's even worse, is that there's nothing we can do about it
- and what’s even worse, is that there’s nothing we can do about it
  Look I know it's much easier said than done, but you can choose to walk away from IBM and Red Hat over this. If these changes start to lose money, they'll respond. Otherwise they'll see how much abuse their customers are willing to put up with and start doubling down.
  
  Do you mean that Fedora users should question if they want to keep using this distro? Because I do use Fedora, and I understand I'm "beta-testing" an enterprise product, but yeah, for me this changes my "relationship" with Red Hat. Or what do you mean?
- Don't use Fedora or it's ilk for starters.
  
  Don’t use Fedora or it’s ilk for starters.
  Fedora doesn't make Red Hat any money anyway. That's like saying to not use Debian because that could help Canonical's Snap vehicle Ubuntu. For now Fedora is mostly unaffected by Red Hat's weird moves. As a long time openSUSE user myself, I'm somewhat experienced in using a community distribution sponsored by a company that got worse and worse over the years and I definitively would not want to buy SUSE Linux Enterprise ever. Weirdly enough, openSUSE even got better as a consequence of some of SUSE's moves. Fewer employed upstream contributors led to the very automated QA and release processes of Tumbleweed, the rolling release distribution. If you have read about problems within openSUSE because of SUSE, it's about Leap, the LTS variant practically nobody uses because TW is just so stable and good. If Red Hat or SUSE ever go totally mad and torpedoed Fedora / openSUSE, both projects have enough safeguards in place to move the projects into independence with little interruption.
Well, Fedora and Gnome were embraced and extended by IBM.
You know what's next now.
- Yep, Ubuntu will fork all of these, then trash them, introduce their alternatives, then drop support in 5 years.
  
  Introducing unity 2
- This was my thought exactly. Work is a RHEL shop and I had settled on Fedora after distro hopping. Ubuntu was for the new guys getting into Linux.
  My self hosted services were all CentOS and more recently Rocky/Alma. After the shenanigans RH pulled to make their source harder to obtain, I'm working through my personal ansible scripts to get up on Debain. I'll never go back to RHEL or the forks.
  
  Fedora is freaking amazing. Fresh & stable software, super clean UI, huge community...
  Debian has stable but old software (kernel and packages), clean UI, huge community. But it's harder to use, since you have to make a few more manual steps to leave it at where Fedora comes as default.
  Fedora will always have a place as long as Red Hat stops shitting on it.
- Fedora has been the "Linux if you want to use it for realsies" distro for me, while Ubuntu has become the "Linux if your grandma still wants to use her old laptop" distro.
  🙄
- Leap it is :)
Welp.. Gnome will lost many of their contributor/maintainer.. Well, at least KDE folks is backed by Novell(SUSE) and XFCE is purely maintained by community already. It seems Linux desktop is still safe. lol
- SUSE was an independent company before, during, and after its 5 years under Novell. That's a weird attribution to Novell when SUSE has always been the contributing company to Linux.
  
  Oh, sorry.. I thought they are one from the start.. thx for correcting me.
- But this was it's year!
Corpo shills were never on the team pleb... just so happened it was good for them to do something that benefited FOSS. Now that is over, it seems.
- And that's alright. We got some stuff out of it that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
power-profiles-daemon is now archived? Dammit, that was a big one for Fedora.
- It was introduced as the default power manager on Ubuntu 22.04 as well. 🤔
I am a little concerned to step in front of the hate machine here but this feels like a continued move away from app dev to more infrastructural stuff as previously announced by them. If so, I am all for it as not everybody is going to use Rhythmbox or LibreOffice but we can all use HDR and other core tech that Red Hat will develop instead. They are one of the few Linux companies that can fund these large, technical projects. Having them working on apps feels like a waste of their engineering potential.
- But if they are moving towards infrastructure I doubt HDR will be on their radar - or any desktop related technology for that matter
  
  https://www.phoronix.com/news/Red-Hat-HDR-Hackfest-Recap
  https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2023/08/16/red_hat_redeploys_desktop_dev/
Well, The Enterprise Linux war is just getting better and better!
- You see contributing to Rhythmbox or not as part of the “Enterprise Linux war”?
  
  I don't understand :P
why did you link to a kbin view of another post right here on !linux@lemmy.ml ?
- It happened before (on reddit), it will happen again (on Lemmy).
  So say we all.
There is no Way this is going to improve anything Red Hat's side
Let's hope the community will pick these up or some of the distro's like Ubuntu, Mint etc
Can someone tell me what this means for fedora?
- Very little I suspect. These specific packages may evolve less quickly but will still be available. None of them were Fedora specific.

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