Trump says he’ll jail his opponents. Members of the House Jan. 6 committee are preparing
Trump says he’ll jail his opponents. Members of the House Jan. 6 committee are preparing
Much of the new investigation has focused on whether the select committee had hidden information that may have exonerated Donald Trump.
Members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol have warned America for three years to take former President Donald Trump at his word.
Now, as Trump is poised to win the Republican presidential nomination, his criminal trials face delays that could stall them past Election Day, and his rhetoric grows increasingly authoritarian, some of those lawmakers find themselves following their own advice.
In mid-March, Trump said on social media that the committee members should be jailed. In December he vowed to be a dictator on “day one.” In August, he said he would “have no choice” but to lock up his political opponents.
“If he intends to eliminate our constitutional system and start arresting his political enemies, I guess I would be on that list,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). “One thing I did learn on the committee is to pay attention and listen to what Trump says, because he means it.”
Lofgren added that she doesn’t yet have a plan in place to thwart potential retribution by Trump. But Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who has long been a burr in Trump’s side, said he’s having “real-time conversations” with his staff about how to make sure he stays safe if Trump follows through on his threats.
“We’re taking this seriously, because we have to,” Schiff said. “We’ve seen this movie before … and how perilous it is to ignore what someone is saying when they say they want to be a dictator.”
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"We're taking this seriously"
Then why have they not arrested (and hopefully executed) Trump and most of his toadies yet? Seems like they're not that serious.
B-but then we're just as bad as them
How is arresting a fascist bad you ask? Uhhhhhh
Remember the Lulags?
This is why
Adam Schiff can’t arrest Trump. He doesn’t have the authority to. It doesn’t mean he isn’t taking the threat seriously.
Executed?
America has executed tens or hundreds of thousands of black and brown people all over the world, without trial, for much lesser acts of alleged terrorism than publicly threatening to kidnap US legislators.
Yep, I think it's time to play by republican rules. If they want to play dirty, let's play dirtier. Time to re-open Gitmo. We kept accused spies, traitors, and terrorists locked up for decades without trial. Trump has sold US secrets to the Russians, incited a violent attack on the U.S. capital, and openly stated he would let Russia take Ukraine, a U.S. ally.
That's 3 for 3. Cuff him, put a bag on his head, and leave him rotting in a cell in the humid heat and isolation until he starves to death.
Hey just so you know, the gitmo prison never closed:
Yes. And that doesn't justify us killing their politicians. It does justify sending them to the ICC.
Why should American or Western laws or morality apply to a crime that occured overseas? If Pakistani or Iraqi law allows for the death penalty for mass murder, who is anyone to say that they're not entitled to try and execute an American politician in accordance with their laws?
In fact, who are "we" even in this situation?
The United Nations is to say. See the Declaration of Human Rights. Its a wonderful document.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
That's not how jurisdiction or extradition works. Invoking the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to block the death penalty from being applied to the politicians of a State Member that allows and applies the death penalty domestically is also a hilarious thought, even if the UN had any way to intercede to stop the death penalty from being carried out (it does not).
Is this a bit?
No, it does justify it. He's literally trying to be Hitler.
Either Trump is an existential threat that requires the strongest possible response, or he's just another corrupt asshole in a country dominated by others like him.
And before you go "but America doesn't do that sort of thing!", I'd encourage you to look up Fred Hampton.
I'm familiar with COINTELPRO and more recent black sites used by CPD.
My point is that we shouldn't sink to their level. We can neutralize the threat of a wanna-be dictator man child without murder. The man is sick and he deserves to be treated for his illness.
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The sentence in prison should be as long as is needed to rehabilitate them.
Prison isn't a place to "convert" or "torture" or "punish" someone. Its s place for them to get care and education until they are safe to return to society without being a risk to themselves or others.
There is no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do.
The purpose of a system is what it does.
There are countries where prisons are used to torture and there are countries where prisons are used as rehabilitation centers. Both exist.
My point is that we should build the later, not the former.
There is no prison on Earth that does not punish people. Even the most humane institutions struggle to treat inmates as anything other than subhuman, because no matter how lofty the goals of a prison system it's still a prison. And the purpose of prisons is very clear.
My point is we should abolish prison.
Sorry, thats not true. There are definitely prisons that dont punish people. I mean they may lock you in a cage, but thats to protect you and help you, not to punish you.
Even the US prison systems (one of the worst I'm the world) is run by the Department of Corrections. At this point they may as well rename it to the Department of Torture (and also Department of Defense should be renex back to the War Department) as the name is double-speak).
We should strive to replicate prisons in nordic countries, not those of the US.
Here's what prisoners have to say:
Here, it is worth looking at the results without any comparative benchmark. Notably, around or above half of prisoners in Norway agreed with items including ‘I feel cut off from the outside world in here’ (56%) and ‘All the Prison Service cares about in this prison is my “risk factors” rather than the person I really am’ (50%); between a third and over two-fifths agreed that ‘This system treats me more like a number than a person’ (41%), ‘The level of security and control in this prison is oppressive’ (39%),‘Staff in this prison think that prisoners are morally beneath them’ (38%), and ‘I have no control over my day-to-day life in here’ (35%). Around one in five agreed with the items ‘The prison system is trying to turn me into someone I am not’ (23%) and ‘This prison is trying to mess with my head’ (22%) and or disagreed that ‘Staff in this prison do their best to help me’ (23%), ‘Staff here treat prisoners fairly’ (20%), and ‘I feel safe from being injured, bullied or threatened by other prisoners in here’ (19%); and substantial proportions disagreed with the item ‘I feel cared about most of the time in this prison’ (16%), or agreed that ‘I am not being treated as a human being in here’ (15%) and ‘Generally I fear for my physical safety’ (13%).
Most notably, as shown in Table 2, just under a quarter of prisoners in Norway agreed with the statements ‘My experience in this prison is painful’, ‘This prison is trying to take away my self-respect’ and ‘My treatment in this prison is humiliating’; just under a third agreed that ‘This prison is doing harm to me’; and well over half agreed that ‘My time in this prison feels very much like a punishment’. Overall, then, while the results are indisputably more positive in Norway than in England & Wales—supporting the claim that Norwegian penality is more humane in relative terms—there is no doubt that, in Norway, pain and suffering are still integral to the prisoner experience. In the following sections, we move on from these general results to discuss more specific findings that are particularly germane to debates about Nordic exceptionalism.
All prisons are prisons. You have a rosey imagined image of the Nordic model, probably because you're from a nightmare country that openly and gleefully tortures prisoners (don't worry, I am too), but the reality is that all prisons are punishment. The purpose of a system is what it does. We should strive for a world without prisons.
I very much do not give a shit whether Trump is rehabilitated or not, he's an existential danger to many groups of people, if somebody decides to put a bullet in his head I'm not gonna cry over it.
Trump doesn't deserve forgiveness or a chance to get better. He deserves a hole in the ground with his neck broken.
Not in the US it’s not…
The US is the most violent and one of the most classist societies in the world. Slavery is still legal in US prisons.
Its hardly a benchmark.
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No. He deserves death. Hitler in a bunker with soldiers on his doorstep style if we're lucky. Unless you think Hitler didn't deserve death, in which case go suck my fuzzy sack you fucking Nazi.
Trump is not a 'wanna-be dictator.' If he wins he WILL get rid of his political enemies and fully capture our government. Then he WILL lock up the Trans people, then the gays. Then send his secret police forces to terrorize the general public into obedience as they erode and shit on every freedom you've ever had.
This is not hyperbole. This is the future they have publicly announced. Read about Project 2025. They mean every word.
Just because I oppose the death penalty doesn't make me a nazi. ffs, look in a mirror.
I'm a Nazi because I want Hitler 2 dead? Jesus christ you fucking sympathizer. All you can do is say 'No u' because you know that fucker doesn't deserve life.
Every being deserves life. Even sick ones. They deserve treatment for their illnesses.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SORRY YOU THINK CHEETO BENITO CAN BE REHABILITATED? I've got a nice pretty tower in the middle of New York City to sell to you.
Doesn't treason carry the death penalty? If they seriously think he's going to become a dictator and end democracy, he should be killed. The US government has had 0 problem doing it to leaders of other countries who did far less; why should Trump get special treatment? Just because he's a rich white guy? Hell, they've even set precedent under Obama that it's legal to drone strike US citizens on foreign soil for being terrorists. Get him next time he leaves the country.
Can we instead join the ranks of most countries and not do capital punishment?
Just disqualify him from becoming a public servant, and lock the man in a nice prison with access to educational programs and other social services. He needs a good history teacher and therapist.
Also, yes, stop all funding to the military and send the generals and their henchmen to the ICC to see if they should receive the same treatment.
He needs a good history teacher and therapist.
Absolute lib shit lmao. The man is 77 years old and has never faced consequences for his actions in his entire life. That's who he is. He's not going to suddenly reverse his entire personality because you made him talk with a therapist for a couple hours.
Like I understand the desire for rehabilitation, but some people are just fucked.
At any rate he deserves it for his war crimes alone.
Not lib shit, just an actual ficking idiot. I'm a raging fucking lib and I'd drag Tump into the street and shoot him myself if I could. We literally had a world War over this shit and people still want kid gloves.
Owl here is clearly just a fucking sympathizer trying to muddy the water.
A couple hours? He's very sick. I think he would need to see a therapist and study history every day for at least 20 years...
Yes, he should be put in a reeducation camp. But we don't have one of those, do we?
Dude what the actual fuck is wrong with you? Therapy doesn't fix sociopathic psychopathy lol.
It can maybe help a person cope with it and reduce harmful behavior, but for real sending Trump to a therapist would just be cruel to the therapist.
Look, it'd be great to abolish the death penalty, the army, and the current version of the government in favor of something more equitable and humane. But that's not the world we live in. Last year cops killed over 1000 people. In the america of today, under the laws that exist today, why should Trump not be killed?
I dont hear an argument for why we can't lock them all up in a nice facility with access to educational programs and other social services to help them be rehabilitated.
Trump and most police need a lot of therapy and a proper education about US and world history.
Empty all of the prisons of folks charged with victimless "crimes" and you have plenty of space for white collar criminals and 99% of the police officers
hey, i can tell you're a good faith user and that's really great, we need more of those. thank you for that.
nobody is saying that what you're arguing for isn't a good thing, most people on hexbear would agree. their point is we can't just have that for rich assholes like trump, we should have that for everyone, and that's what should be happening. but the Democrats aren't going to do that. so to deal with him, at least for now, treat him like they do everyone who's jailed in america
hey, i can tell you're a good faith user
Are they? They seem like a bit
None of what you advocate can happen without revolution, and as a certain philosopher and activist said, “a revolution is not a dinner party.” It will be violent, and many people will die.
You can either have that, or you can have the Democrats/Republicans pretending to be the party of civility while they commit genocide. No ruling class in history has ever given up power peacefully.
Owl here is just a fucking troll. Hopefully. Otherwise he's a massive fucking dumbass.
India? Canada?
Are you suggesting that a state built on ongoing genocide and imperialism like Canada, or a backward, semi-colonial, semi-feudal country like India, are models that anyone in their right mind should follow?
Thete was plenty of violence in the struggle for Indian independence as well. Libs just only think of Ghandi
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Aren't most people convicted in the US charged with "victimless crimes"?
Sorry, but white collar criminals embezzling from pension funds and doing mortgage lending fraud causes immense harm. Possessing a specific species of flowers doesnt do harm.
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