Górny took issue with everything from the energy consumption driven by AI
This has to be a joke. The team behind a distro that compiles everything from scratch all the time is concerned about wasting power now? The only distro for which I ever setup a compile cluster?
Give me a break. This is the new luddite movement.
Gotta say your comment makes an insightful impression, however Gentoo compilations are peanuts compared to the massive energy sucking hype that A.I. is. I am glad that people speak out publicly against this insane madness. A.I. hyping during climate crisis ? Overwhelming sales of SUVs Plans to move to planet Mars Who would have guessed that years ago ?
Well it's the training of LLMs that consumes so much energy, simply using them (for say software development purposes) (inference) probably takes less power than recompiling your Gentoo.
Gentoo compilations are peanuts compared to the massive energy sucking hype that A.I. is.
Their overall impact is low because they're niche. It wouldn't be if Gentoo were more popular. Imagine all of the AWS EC2 instances running Gentoo. And all of the Docker container builds still compiling glibc over and over.
Fact is they still built a horrifically inefficient system for deploying software. It's a crazy hypocritical stance to take. AI at least provides benefit - something that can't be said of Gentoo's waste.
You really went looking for something to hate on there didn't you. That is the only sentence in the whole article that even mentions power consumption, all the other arguments both fit and against are for a variety of other topics.
It seems to be that you are more likely caught up in some kind of movement if one argument from one person is enough for you to label everyone there luddites
You really went looking for something to hate on there didn’t you. That is the only sentence in the whole article that even mentions power consumption, all the other arguments both fit and against are for a variety of other topics.
The rest of the ridiculous moralizing was pretty bad as well. This was just the most egregiously stupid thing listed in the article.
The original Luddite movement was literally a worker's rights movement, and the "irrationally afraid of technology" characterization was manufactured by the ruling class, so yes. The Luddites were right then and they're right now too.
To a certain extent other distros rely on more obscure distros like gentoo which uses package compilation as the default. If upstream are not publishing code which can be reproducibly built then the gentoo maintainers are the first to know and can raise an issue.
Also I think nobody so far weighed the energy consumption of e.g. using copilot against the environmental footprint of a human doing the legwork manually
Ah, thanks for that link! I actually read the first few pages on the latest MIT Tech Review some days ago, thought I'd ready the rest and forgot, now I can.
It really is. Degrowth is destitution and death - just look at Germany.
We need to decouple electricity production from environmental damage - build renewable power and nuclear power station en masse and invest heavily in nuclear fusion.
Degrowth is a hilarious word to use here because degrowth is literally necessary for us to not run the natural resources of our planet dry. Infinite growth in a finite planet is just logically impossible.
I don't think that this is a hard rule. They probably look for the same signs that we do - plausible sounding utter gibberish. They just don't want the drop in quality due to that. If an author creates content with AI, but takes their time to edit and improve it, I think that the Gentoo team may give it a pass.
When you write a copyright notice you aught to specify which code is actually copyrighted and which is AI written? Guess you can just include the code and pretend you wrote it, or just omit which part is actually the non-copyrighted AI code.
External LLMs are great for getting ideas and a quick overview of something, and helpers integrated into IDEs are useful to autocomplete longer lines of code or repetitive things.
I frequently ask ChatGPT to make whole functions for me. It’s important to check the code and test it, obviously, but it has saved me quite a bit of time.
What the heck are you on about???? There are no comments on this thread that sounds "butthurt". And I don't especially like your generalisation of Lemmy users. You sound like a troll.
Lots of companies will do this, eventually advertising the purity and the size of their human created training data.
These will be the companies selling their content to AI companies, although some will probably just be scanned in illegally. Perhaps a new type of copy write lawsuit will have to be invented.
Most people will continue to use these sites, aware their data is being used like this.