Over 80,000 Illinois people banned from owning guns still keep them, report shows
Over 80,000 Illinois people banned from owning guns still keep them, report shows
In Illinois, 114,000 people are banned from owning guns because of legal tangles or mental health issues
It seems that they never intended to enforce this to current gun owners because they knew they wouldn’t comply. It is more of a measure that they will enforce going forward on future generations of gun owners.
At the very least, they should be slam dunks for crime enhancements. If they commit a crime, and the illegal firearm is found in their possession, that should tack on some hefty penalties.
It's honestly kinda wild how many comments here are in favor of cops kicking down doors to enforce this law.
I know, I know, Lemmy isn't a singular person. But it's rare to see the anti-gun crowd advocating for aggressive police action--apparently it's okay just because they are gun owners?
I absolutely believe we'd be better off with less guns floating around this country, but that necessarily is going to be a slow generational shift unless you're advocating for violent standoffs between well-armed citizens and an even more well-armed state.
Agreed, I am a very liberal person and I see other liberals far too often falling into the 'benevolent dictator' trap.
That's because they are authoritarian.
Strong gun control requires a police state, and it's advocates are okay with this. Some of them (mostly suburbanites and the like) just imagine that that police state will never be directed against them.
Others are capitalists that actively want to inflict a police state on the rest of us, for their own benefit. It's a lot easier to break strikes and enforce "work discipline" when the working class is disarmed.
Strong gun control requires a police state
False. Unless you are saying every other country in the world with strong gun control laws is a police state. Which is also false.
And some aren't even strawmen...they recognize the police state is already directed against them and guns haven't solved the problem...just made it easier for police to pull the trigger because they're all terrified for their lives.
Personally, I've yet to see a single American successfully use guns to protect any other constitutional right from government infringement.
I have seen lots of examples like Waco and Ruby Ridge, where the government should have tried harder to deescalate, but in the end, everyone died. The closest example I can think of where the government did backoff was the Bundy standoff and all those guys were "defending" was their ability to let their cattle graze illegally on federal land because they didn't want to pay for access like everyone else.
Some of us are just sick of reading about mass shootings every couple days.
What the anti gun crowd doesn't get is, saying you have a mental health issue blocks you from getting em, so people are going to bottle shit up because one moment of weakness might cost you your right for a lifetime. It actively discourages people from getting help.
It's almost as if they don't have a fucking solution at all.
Despite pointing to "evErY oThER cOUnTrY doEsNt hAvE a PrObleM" they haven't thought about gun control implementation for 3 seconds.
It's literally as bad as the conservative saying "do nothing" or "more guns solve the problem". It's equally as stupid as that, but the liberal crowd acts like they're fuckin geniuses whilst giving their suggestions.
It’s not rare to see the anti gun crowd advocating police violence.
While it's to true that we too often talk about groups of people like they're individuals, it's also true that very few people actually bother to have underlying principles for their opinions, much less stick to those principles when they get in the way of a short-term goal.
If you don't stick to them then they aren't principles, they're opinions.
So what are you gonna do? Send the cops to kill them? Because that's how it plays out.
And then there's the apocryphal boating accident. Prove I still have the guns.
If you jump straight to shooting when cops show up to take your toys, it's a pretty good bet you never should have had them in the first place.
If you "lost" it they should tear your fucking house apart with a warrant to make sure it's really gone.
We cool with police and government just barging into our homes and taking our property that we purchased legally with our own money now?EDIT: FWIW, I misunderstood the title. I thought it was banned guns, not people banned from having guns (due to felonies, etc.). This is a bit different.
What are you going to do? Shoot at cops executing a lawful search warrant?
That has happened many many times and a few times in the past few years the homeowner has even gotten away with it.
Maybe a few, but they’re all cowards unless they’re in a group. Vast majority would surrender then afterwards proceed to cry in court.
Edit: just like 1/6 cowards
License, insurance and registration (just like cars) for every gun. Massive fines with accruing interest lifetime liability for “lost” guns.
Protip: don't ever get diagnosed with a mental illness.
If they know who they are, they are complicit in the violation by letting them continue
Start putting these people in jail in large numbers. Make it clear to the rest that they need to surrender their illegal firearms.
That's funny that you think the cops would do that. They only enforce the laws that are convenient for them.
Same thing happened in New York when they banned "assault weapons" and many of the sheriffs also said they wouldn't enforce the ban. Vast non-compliance with the bans is what happened, and will continue to happen going forward.
"I lost my guns in a tragic boating accident."
Now what?
Well you're going to have to pay to have the lake dredged to recover them then. We don't care what condition the guns are in when you surrender them.
"Cool, then you shouldn't mind if we search your entire property right now to prove that you don't still have the thing you are explicitly prohibited from possessing. Or you can show us where you were boating when they were lost and we can charge you for the cost of the search if they aren't there."
Make it clear to the rest that they need to surrender their illegal firearms.
So when do the SWAT teams and National Guard roll into the seedy side of Chicago to do this to the Gang Members that are carting around illegal firearms? When the hell are Illinois Prosecutors going to start jailing the people that police catch with illegal machine guns?
That person at home who shouldn't have a firearm is a a problem but they are far and away not the biggest problem and its not even close.
Aww, look who is mad gun laws apply to white people too.
If someone is too dangerous to own a gun then they're too dangerous to be loose in society anyway. They can always find some other means to hurt people.