DNC Announces Plans to Learn Nothing from This
The leaders of the Democratic National Committee announced they plan to learn absolutely nothing from their embarrassing loss to President-elect Donald Trump.
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What I would like to know the most is why 14 million registered Democrats failed to vote in this election, especially given what is at stake. Because if it was for some stupid, single issue, then fark them, good and hard.
it's because the dems tacked hard right to appeal to the mythical "moderate conservative" while telling everyone to the left of them to fuck off for months and months on end. people were shouting from the rooftops that this was going to cost them the election, and damn wouldn't you know it, it looks like it did! will they learn from it? probably not!
Just commenting to say I love your name lmfaooo
Why would they learn? They'll be fine.
This is what people don't seem to understand. This is not some mythical "huge force." Democrats elect their people through primaries and they rise. Same as ever.
But all the people who don't participate? YOU are the ones that have to suffer. Harris was a fine candidate. Sure she wasn't Santa Claus on Christmas but she was fine and a million ways better than Trump. But people said "eh, I'm ok with Trump then" and didn't vote for her.
She isn't gonna suffer. The DNC isn't going to suffer. YOU and I are. This is what we call an "own goal." And all the people wanting more left policy? Well good fucking luck when they stack the SCOTUS with 40 year old right wing fucks, stack the rest of the courts, and move everything back another 20 years progress-wise. Think you're getting better healthcare soon? Think again. It got a ton harder now. Worried about the climate? Great! Because it was fucked before and it'll be fucked a fuck more now. What little we were doing is going up in smoke.
Besides that- two things can be right. The Dems need to refocus AND shithead lazy ass nonvoters need to get off the fucking couch and vote no matter what. Well, if they can still vote in a free and fair election in 2/4 years.
Are you suggesting that if a voter doesn't feel that either candidate will represent their needs, they should vote anyway?
They should be smart enough to vote for the one who gets closest to their needs. If they're not a complete moron that is.
The car is moving in one direction or another. It'd be smart to at least move it in the direction you think it should go.
...the electorate can vote or not vote for whomever the fck they see fit: that's the fundamental point of democracy...
...the most-effective way to win those votes is to earn them, not to berate the electorate with a presumption of entitlement...
And theyre jackasses for that. It's a civic duty. Go write in Mickey mouse. But you should be voting regardless.
And if you don't then you can just stfu about anything because you never did the bare minimum to change anything.
Democrats elect their people through primaries and they rise.
this literally did not happen this year.
man, Hard Times really was right on the money, Dems aren't going to learn a single thing from this. I don't know how to tell you that people are not going to get excited to go vote for Diet Republicans that don't represent their positions. they will simply stay home! that's literally what happened here, and you're sitting here going "errrrmm they're actually just lazy 🤓 don't they know about DRUMPF???"
And their dumbasses will get fucked by trump just the same. Congrats to them.
You guys think the dems really care. They'll be fine. But hey, act like youre really sticking it to them. Im sure theyre so hurt and won't make ends meet now.
If you need to ask, then you haven't been paying attention
The only other explanation is that those 14 million Democrats DID vote, but that their votes weren't counted due to election day farkery. But I'm not ready to go down that rabbit hole without solid proof.
It's possible, but I doubt it.
Occam's Razor says people stayed home because the Democrats ran a shitty centrist who tried to appeal to the nonexistent 'moderate Republican'. The Democrats have been doing that as long as I've been alive.
Democrats are ready and willing to do anything other then deliver the change Obama promised so many years ago.
Only the most giga depresso life will do for our future generations
I want them to do a recount. Here's solid proof:
Trump saying people don't even need to go vote and he didn't need their votes to win, Trump saying he had an election day secret with Johnson, the over 50 bomb threats, Elon Musk's bullshittery with the lottery, the ballot boxes set on fire, the numerous people reporting issues with voting, previous election interference by Russia and Russia's ongoing war, and tbh wouldn't it be the perfect way to start a civil war in the US by Russia, by actually stealing the election this time and letting us know a week or two later?
So let's recount because our planet can't survive 4 more years of drill baby drill. Let's just do an audit of those machines and check it all out. If the audit is fine then fine. It's the same courtesy he got.
those things certainly did effect the total number of voters, but there's no evidence that any of the votes for trump were fake, or that votes for harris were specifically not counted or destroyed (enough to effect a nationwide poor performance).
Either there was a massive, nationwide conspiracy (for which there is no compelling evidence), or Harris simply didn't perform well.
I think she maybe didn't perform well, sure. That can be true. But there's enough evidence of issues includ8ng weird shit Trump himself said, that I think we should do an audit anyway just to make sure.
You're getting into conspiracy theory here. Trump did better than expected everywhere. Blue states. Red States. Blue cities. Red cities. Didn't matter. There was a shift almost everywhere. And this is across a nation that uses radically different voting machines, forms of voting, voting machine providers, etc. It doesn't make sense that the could all be rigged so perfectly. It's insanity.
Yes, you can count "just in case," but that way lies madness.
Why does this remind me of the whole 2016 election when it was obvious there was Russian collusion, amd people demanded we wait for the Mueller report and other things to decide. Bruh look at their rally sizes. Record numbers of voter enrollment. It's weird.
It's not weird if you realize that we're no longer in the era of big turnout being synonymous with Democratic win. And rallies are a poor indicator of voter sentiment. How many rallies for Kamala did you personally go to? Rallies are a vestigial remnant from another political era, when people primarily heard about candidates from local in-person gatherings. Yes, Kamala was able to get better rally turnout this time around than Trump, but rally-goers are a weird political rounding error. It just turns out that Kamala's weirdos were a bit more fired up this time around than Trump's weirdos.
We just came out of an era of inflation that America hasn't seen in decades. More people are rent-burdened than ever before, and the amount of people accessing foodbanks is higher than it has been in generations. Liberals papered over this harsh reality with wonky discussions of median inflation-adjusted wages, and they shouted down any critique of how limited main inflation figures actually are at measuring economic well-being. Or worse, they pointed at the stock market. Democrats have also held the White House for 12 of the last 16 years.
Globally, centrist neoliberal parties like the Democrats have been eviscerated in nation after nation, election after election. The neoliberal economic model has failed to deliver the widespread prosperity it promised, and the inequality it has enabled has reached crushing levels. People are demanding change, and currently, they can only find that change, any change really, on the part of right-wing populists like Trump. Neoliberals are genetically incapable of standing up to the wealthy and powerful corporate interests.
Finally, while Trump is a fascist, it was incredibly difficult for voters to take that claim seriously. You can point out that he tried to overthrow the government. But then the average voter will just ask you, "well why isn't he in prison?" Biden put a Republican, Merrick Garland, in charge of his DOJ. And Garland sat on any investigation or indictment of Trump for two years, allowing Trump to run out the clock. Garland made it impossible for Democrats to effectively run on the "Trump is a fascist" line, simply because the Biden administration didn't treat him as a threat to democracy. He should have been arrested and sent off to face a military tribunal the day Biden was sworn in. But because Biden didn't treat him as a serious threat, the voters didn't consider him a serious threat either.
In short, there are plenty of reasons why Trump won and Kamala lost, and they have nothing to do with voter fraud. Kamala offered no real solutions to struggling Americans. Trump has a simple, if monstrous, solution that actually WILL help people with rental costs. He's promising to deport 20 million people and thus free up housing supply. It's a monstrous and cruel solution, but it is at least a short-term solution. Yes, Trump absolutely meets any standard textbook definition of a fascist, but Kamala was not able to win on that. If your party is in power, you cannot run arguing your opponent is a threat to democracy. As if they are, the voters will ask why you haven't put them behind bars already.
No, big turnout is still synonymous with a progressive candidate win. Bernie Sanders, AOC, Stacy Abrams. It's just that Democrats are now so right wing they no longer appeal to the people.
However, that being said, there's literally a laundry list of election interference issues that should trigger a recount. And that includes speech by Trump himself that is suspect. Like he's literally working with Elon Musk and Putin and you don't think they may have done some bullshit? Lol. How gullible. You realize Putin has decades of experience rigging elections and using propaganda, and Musk owns Twitter?
No, big turnout is still synonymous with a progressive candidate win.
Again, you're living in the past. Back during the era of Obama, it was Democrats who were drawing out the infrequent voters. When turnout was high, Democrats did well. Now, it's Republicans who are relying on the infrequent voters. The modern Democrats are very dependent on college-educated voters and other groups that turn out more reliably than Trump's base.
And how Bernie or some other progressive would win is completely irrelevant here. We're talking about how Kamala, a centrist Democrat, performed in an election. What happened 20 years ago is irrelevant. In the recent Trump elections - 2016, 2020, 2024, it is centrist Democrats like her who were hurt by higher turnout.
However, that being said, there’s literally a laundry list of election interference issues that should trigger a recount. And that includes speech by Trump himself that is suspect. Like he’s literally working with Elon Musk and Putin and you don’t think they may have done some bullshit? Lol. How gullible. You realize Putin has decades of experience rigging elections and using propaganda, and Musk owns Twitter?
Trump made a vague remark about having some plan in the House, a plan that they'll never need. Do I doubt that Trump would willingly steal an election? No. But the point is that, as everyone has been trying to tell you, there is no reasonable way to pull off what you're suggesting.
You are naive and clearly trapped in an info bubble. The simple fact is that far more people voted for Trump than did Harris. And this result isn't in any way surprising. It's the kind of scenario any Poli Sci 101 text would tell you could easily lose an incumbent an election.
If it were a close race at all, you would have a point. But we don't do big national recounts just for shits and giggles. We don't do them because you think someone's vibe makes them a cheater. We do it when a plot is actually plausible. And the advantage Trump received is completely consistent with national polling, general economic sentiments, and Trump's own past poll performance. There is simply no reason other than cope to hang onto the idea that Trump cheated his way to this win.
should have been arrested and sent off to face a military tribunal
I had never even thought about it, but yeah, President is Commander in Chief of the army and navy, he could and should have been court maritaled
Having fake primaries sure didn't help.
Dick riding dick Cheney might have something to do with it. Fucking embarrassing.
