oldie but a goodie (relevant once again in light of him magically not having to pay the $450 million)
oldie but a goodie (relevant once again in light of him magically not having to pay the $450 million)
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Yeah my faith in our justice system has gotten to the point that I can only see one of two potential outcomes realistically happening with Trump's crimes:
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No justice. We'll dance to this song till the day he succumbs to his decades-long hamburder induced suicide.
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Vigilante justice. Collectively we don't appear to have the spine for this kind of intervention, but even if we're talking about the one-in-a-million lone wolf type of incident, we have over 300 one-in-a-millions in the US population to choose from, so I'm honestly kinda surprised we don't see this kind of shit more often. (to be clear, this is an assessment, not a recommendation)
What do you mean by "gotten"? US has forever favored the rich white people.
like geez, take a look into your history? Segregation was fine till 60-70s. Killing people in mass abroad is okay and war crimes praised and criminals elected presidents. Funding genocide? bipartisan thumbs up.
Fuck your "justice system"
Most of us don't see that shit growing up. We're indoctrinated through our entire childhood, then slow-crash as we see example after example of a "broken" system... then finally accept that it's not broken, it's working as intended: it's evil.
Others of us become Republicans and keep America delusional again! 💨
I used to know someone who would have been right in that venn diagram of lefty politics, hopelessness, access to guns, and deep dark rage, but then they had a 4chan face-heel turn, and before my eyes they became a basic racist who told me to my face that my mixed race kid was a suicide risk.
Long story short, I think political violence might be fundamentally a right wing ballgame. It just never works out the way you're describing, at least not anymore.
...my mixed race kid was a suicide risk...
Ummm what? Can you elaborate on this further I don't think I've heard this one before.
Bad story, you're not gonna like it. He was trying to convince me that my decision to miscegenate was bad for the "white" race because of a study he'd allegedly read of wherein mixed race people were found to have a higher risk of suicide.
He said this to a friend of over two decades, as calmly and confidently as if he'd told me yesterday's weather, and apparently expected me to react to this as it it were helpful information.
So, I cut him out of my life, he stalked me, and I fled the country with my wife and toddler in tow. All this with the backdrop of a global pandemic and an active insurrection against democracy.
Bad story. Sorry you asked!
That's a horrible story. I had an aquaintance tell me when I was early 20s that when I had kids they wouldn't be as valuable as our friends kids. Why? Because our friends kids are white.
And, at least in the US, that piece of shit wasn't wrong, but I didn't need to hear that.
Did he say valuable, or valued?
Also why do you not need to hear that? Are you planning to ignore the challenges your kids will face? Like … what the fuck is with these parents cutting people out of their lives when they deliver bad news about their kids’ environment?
If someone came to me and said “Hey there’s a coyote outside tonight so don’t let your kids out”, and I said “Well maybe that’s true but I don’t need to hear that shit” then cut them out of my life, I’d see myself as having failed as a parent right there.
Your job is to keep your eyes open, not take steps to purge unpleasant information from your life. I’d be disgusted if you didn’t have kids, but since you adopted the responsibility of having kids and are taking this comfort-over-awareness policy, it’s appalling.
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I mean, I would fucking hope I misread your story, but you did tell this story. Here’s how I interpreted it:
He tried to convince me
I read this as one night in the kitchen with you two having beers at your place, and he says this. Maybe I assumed that wrong? Was it a whole series of conversations, or was it one conversation? If it was a whole series, that’s worse on his part
that my decision to miscegenate was bad for the "white" race
I honestly think this question is key: was it he who brought up the terms “miscagenate” and “the white race” (those three words in that sequence)?
If he used those specific terms it makes him sound more generally racist. But if you’re introducing them for flavor in the story, that speaks to me of a pattern of amplifying your “he’s racist” interpretation in your own mind.
because of a study he'd allegedly read
Why allegedly? You suspect he made it up out of whole cloth? Or did you suspect he only read about the study but not the contents of the study itself?
of wherein mixed race people were found to have a higher risk of suicide.
This, to me, sounds an attempt to be helpful.
He said this to a friend of over two decades, as calmly and confidently as if he'd told me yesterday's weather,
I read this as if he’s not presenting uncertainty, but rather certainty, but he’s only read one study and doesn’t have actual expertise, right?
What exactly did he apply this confidence to? Did he confidently say: “I read a study that said X” or “I know that X” or what exactly?
and apparently expected me to react to this as it it were helpful information.
This is the part that made my blood boil. A parent who doesn’t consider a reported threat to their child, even an uncertain or hypothetical one, to be helpful information just freaks me the fuck out. What?
So, I cut him out of my life,
I read this as you cut him out of your life after two instance of him talking about this study: once to you and once to your mutual friend.
If you did that, after twenty years of friendship, that’s fucked up.
he stalked me
Excellent reason to avoid him. But again I don’t know if I trust your judgment yet.
It seems (unless there’s a lot left out and not even mentioned as ommitted) that one mention of a study involving varying risks to varying racial groups was enough for you to deem him a racist. I guess I misread that? There was more racist stuff he was doing too?
and I fled the country with my wife and toddler in tow
So either you fled the country because of this guy, or you did it for a much larger set of reasons, and you just included that fact to set the overall emotional tone of your family’s story around the same time as the end of that friendship?
All this with the backdrop of a global pandemic and an active insurrection against democracy.
Sorry if I sound too analytical here, but reference to a “backdrop” really makes it sound like you interpreted this guy’s fumbling attempt to help as a plot line in a much larger story about cutting ties and pulling stakes and going on a big journey.
I'm an emotional wreck right now, and I thought I was feeling better after these few years.
I won't say more. Feel free to assume the worst of someone who made the mistake of being vulnerable around you.
Fuck both your ex-friend and the internet weirdo arguing with you about your family's safety and value, holy shit. Who asked for their toxic parenting advice/analysis????
You made a decision based on your priorities, and I hope you and your family are doing well, and your child is THRIVING!
Not sure if you read my last comment at all but it was a lot of effort to identify and step away from assumptions I made.
Sorry you’re an emotional wreck right now. Hope you feel better soon.
Not a lot of people here will say this, but props for recognizing you were in the wrong here. It's not easy to do.
You should slap your father for not having the common decency to wipe you on the curtains.
There is a gigantic difference between "there's a dangerous animal outside that you can do something about." And "your kid isn't white (absolutely nothing you can do about that) so their life might suck more."
One of those you can actually do something about, the other is just "sucks to not be white." It's pretty much useless negativity.
I didn't need to hear it because I lived it and already knew the reality for non white kids growing up here. I didn't need a middle aged white man telling me how it is. And I'd rather cut someone like that out of my life for myself, my kids weren't born then, and they aren't going to hear that story.
Your coyote analogy is flawed. This wasn't an immediate threat that I ignored.
I know what my job is as a parent, probably better than you do.
Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned
The less "white" someone is, the more likely it is for them to experience negative social, economic, and medical outcomes; this is because the United States is a racist country that intentionally disregards people of color.
I'm not sure why it's improper for a friend to acknowledge that unfortunate truth. It's reality, and clearly you agree with its conclusions on some level if you left the country yourself
Oh look, another tantalising opportunity to relive my worst memories. Thanks buddy.
You're being a crybully about telling a story that doesn't make sense
Rates of suicide are higher in mixed race kids.
What kind of elaboration are you looking for?
So let’s go over this interaction you’re having here:
• This person described a traumatic life event wherein they are given unbidden “advice” that pretty obviously comes from a place of outright racism, no matter how you wanna dog-whistle it.
• You started giving them the exact same unbidden advice.
Do you not feel comically villainous? This is clearly not the time nor the place for this shit, anyone with basic empathy would know that. You’re going way the fuck out of your way just to be an asshole, it’s such a sad way to spend your time.
Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned
If that were the whole of the situation you might have a point, but you miss out on most nuance and context when you boil it down to “someone who does X is good”
A racist saying that a mixed race child will experience more hardship than a "White" child is just as correct as a NAACP spokesperson saying the same thing. This country is structurally racist, which has real consequences for everyone according to their skin color and ability to pass as "White."
Given that, idk what the friend did wrong - aside from apparently talking about "The White Race," which is always a weird thing to do, of course
I really appreciate you bringing the context back into the discussion, hot damn! Honestly, that’s a much more measured and reasonable response than my snarky comment should deserve lmao
I’m not trying to argue that the friend in OP’s story is a racist because of that comment. I do, however, think that OP probably had other reasons to cast this particular interaction as having racist intentions. I’m obviously assuming things about the situation beyond the information provided, but so is the other so-and-so that I’m being an asshole to. Only that individual is also like, harassing the teller of the story over it?
Either way I’m way too invested in this thread, hope you’re having a good day!
The gap in support for violence between the right and the left is smaller, but when it comes to actual acts of violence it is indeed mainly a right-wing problem.
Who the hell wants violence?
Wanting violence and preparing for its inevitability are two very different things.
So if I’m understanding this right:
- He was the perfect intersectional candidate to assassinate your political enemies
- But then he discovered 4chan, and switched to giving you extremely valuable warnings about pitfalls your child’s life will contain
- Which upset your creamy sweet comfort bubble
- So you labeled him a racist and purged him from your life
He deserves better friends than you.
Go fuck yourself
You're not "understanding this right", but you seem to be enjoying yourself so who am I to judge.
discovered 4chan, and switched to giving you extremely valuable warnings about pitfalls your child’s life will contain
That's certainly one take, not one that I would've reached but it's definitely a take.
US justice depends on what is in your bank account.
Or in Trump's case, what he pretended was in his bank account, and how fast he can commit more crimes to actually find that money
Now there’s a fresh take
I've been saying from the start that the prosecution is dragging their feet, hoping he either dies or becomes president, so they don't have to be the ones who established precedent of their social class facing justice.
I think you just got put on a list
Almost! You can imagine how frustrated my FBI agent must have been when he got to that disclaimer at the end of the post!
Yeah, there was that one unhinged moron who actually found Nancy pelosi’s husband and attacked him with a hammer. As unhinged as that dude was, I liked that. It made me wonder why if this moron can do that, why aren’t the elites constantly getting attacked in the streets.
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