Reminder: dunk posts go in /c/the_dunk_tank and /c/cth is NOT for low-hanging-fruit that's removed from dunk_tank
Reminder: dunk posts go in /c/the_dunk_tank and /c/cth is NOT for low-hanging-fruit that's removed from dunk_tank
We've seen an uptick in people posting dunks in here that belong in dunk_tank, as well as low-hanging fruit that gets removed from or isn't allowed in dunk_tank anymore. For context, rule 8 of dunk_tank:
Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this.
There's a reason that dunks are cordoned off to their own comm, some users rightfully don't want to see reactionary nonsense all the time, even if we're making fun of the person who said it. /c/cth is a general-purpose comm but it's NOT for posting some random nobody asshole twitter user's bad takes, the absolute best course of action to take when you see that stuff out in the wild is to either directly shit on them yourself, or ignore them and don't give them more attention.
From this point on I'm going to be more stringent about moderating this. I get it, it's fun to dunk on the libs and the blue checks and the 
and that's why we have a whole dedicated comm for that. Any post that's obviously meant to be "hey look at this piece of shit, let's laugh at how bad their opinions are, upbears to the left and emojis in chat" belongs in the_dunk_tank. And any super low-hanging fruit doesn't belong on this site, period (see TDT rule 8 above). We have better things to do with our time than give unearned attention, time and energy to low-follower-count nobodies yelling into the void.
Thanks for your discretion comrades, stay sicko 
edit: as others have pointed out, /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml is a good place for any and all dunking content not allowed here. Post that ragebait to our comrades at the 'grad, they'll make good use of it. Also, per rule 9 of TFT dunking on fediverse users is still explicitly allowed so it's still open season on those in our own backyard.
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This is an entirely predictable result of the addition of the bad rule 8 to the_dunk_tank
The purpose of this comm is literally to quarantine all of the "finding an idiot to get mad at" posts. This rule change is gonna make the rest of the site worse.
-ElGosso, 30 days ago on the dunk tank rule change post. Hm. Must be a psychic. Only explanation.
I called it too and asked for a quarantine zone for those kinda posts but was denied. LET US HAVE OUR SLOP
This conviction the mods seem to have that "[dunking on] super low-hanging fruit doesn't belong on this site, period" is weird and bad
Also "low hanging fruit" are posts not a lot of people have seen, while I guess the "high effort dunks" are posting whatever garbage Elon and jk have been up to because they have more views. Seems backwards to me :shrug-outta-hecks:
"I saw this and now you have to see this too" is not a good reason for posting. People don't need to see every bad take on the internet.
And the cousin of that one: “I got into an argument with a lib on Reddit so here’s our chain of single upvote comments, please tell I won the argument”
Exactly! That's the type of thing that should be clear is banned.
There's gonna be a middle ground between there and "moderately famous poster" that's gonna take some figuring out, but even just trimming that and things like 15-like YouTube comments from someone with a couple of subscribers, random anonymous racists arguing in the comments of a local newspaper article, things like that.
"I saw this, thought it was a funny bad take, and am now sharing with other people who will laugh at this fool" is usually my thought. I imagine the same is true for other dunk tank posters?
now you have to see this too
No one actually has to view the dunk tank. They can block it, scroll by, whatever. I scroll past a lot of posts. Hextube gets pinned all the time, but is of no relevance to me. Other comms I've blocked all together 🤷
That's why there was a whole comm for it
The comm for that is now https://hexbear.net/c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml
So a popular type of post many hexbear users like is no longer allowed on Hexbear at all? Why?
A coalition of site mods and the admins came to a consensus. It's no longer considered permitted content on the site.
It's a done deal, there's no point in crying over spilled milk.
It's a done deal, there's no point in crying over spilled milk.
its power seems inescapable — but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in posting.
A done deal can be undone, especially one which has effects on the site as a whole and was made without input from the site's community as a whole.
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It's not irreversible. We're just not going to reverse it. We decided to trim back on one of the most unhealthy things on the site over a month ago and most users seem to be in agreement with the change. We don't plan on reversing course over a handful of people who are frankly overreacting about the severity of a rule change on a small shitposting forum and calling the messenger a nazi.
Well, I'll subscribe to that too, but lemmygrad posters are more serious, less fun and that comm is drastically less active than TDT
not a good reason for posting
i didn't need a reason to keep posting
Right. Seems kinda backwards if the criteria is "low hanging"
the numbers below a post do not actually affect its dunkability.
Yeah, but it should cool off after a while. I'm sure that now both comms are going after the low hanging fruit posts the posts will just wean off.
What is wrong with low hanging fruit anyway
It's not like making fun of reactionary losers is important work or anything
They belong better in some of the Lemmygrad lib showcase comms. I've seen too many posts on here and /r/trueanon that are just random nobodies saying deranged things 4 years ago. I don't mind it too much and it's ultimately not dissimilar from the approved posts, but it's extremely reddit energy to be dunking on low hanging fruit from trolls.So ignore them and let them settle to the bottom of the pile with all the other poor engagement posts
So, what you're saying is to defeat bad posts in the marketplace of ideas, rather than to use political power to do so?
Why do we have to "defeat" bad posts at all? Hexbear is a site where a significant portion of the posts are bad on purpose. We have an entire comm dedicated to posting the worst posts we can come up with. Title: I farded, body: hehe is a completely valid Hexbear post. In fact, it's probably been posted multiple times already.
We should be "defeating" posts that are racist, ableist, transphobic, liberal, etc. We shouldn't be "defeating" posts that are bad, that's what this site is for
I literally just made a joke, but go off I guess.
Your application of your political ideology to how you think the site should be run is incoherent enough that being facetious in that fashion doesn't work.
Maybe if you could articulate an actual reason that you've chosen one particular genre of hexbear post to bully people with your mod powers over, I would be more open to laughing at your jokes. As it stands, your communications here just sound lifeless and corporate and make it difficult to entertain any humor involved.
"The mods are bullying people." Hexbear gets so dramatic when faced with the prospect of doing something else with its time rather than scraping through and being dragged down by the absolute dregs of humanity.
some of us have been against c/badposting for the entirety of its existence
then block the comm and leave us alone? "i don't like this kind of post so mods need to remove it and ban people for posting it" is baby shit
i already did but surely you understand that my blocking a comm because i think it's a bad idea and bad for the culture doesn't change my opinion on it. and that my ability to block it doesn't have shit to do with my pointing out my position as a contradiction of your argument.
and that my ability to block it doesn't have shit to do with my pointing out my position as a contradiction of your argument.
first off, you didn't articulate any such position. you just said that you don't like the badposting comm.
second, who cares whether you (or the mods) like a certain comm or a certain type of post? since when does that matter? how many more types of posts are just going to be arbitrarily, randomly, unilaterally banned by the mods for no articulable reason?
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Is the fruit somehow higher if the person has more followers? I honestly don't understand.
A post is higher effort the more eyeballs the original had?
Yeah, part of the problem with these rules is that there's no good way to draw a line between what's low-hanging fruit and what's a legitimate target for hexbear dunking. The rule relies on the mood of the mod present at the time of posting.
Surely everyone will stop posting the posts they like to post because the two comms those posts best fit in ban those posts
Yeah? We had people posting casual transphobia and casual racism here in the early days, heavy moderation put an end to that. Obviously bad posts and bigotry aren't comparable but you get the idea, moderation is like cyberbullying but with institutional power; and if we've learned anything from the posting wars it's that bullying works.
That's not really comparable. Racism and transphobia are actually bad and ideologically opposed to the ideals of the site, making fun of bad opinions but with numbers that are too small under them is not. Getting rid of people who post racism and transphobia is a good thing to do, but are you actually suggesting banning low-hanging-fruit-dunkers?
As I said, it's not about the morals of the behavior, just the behavior itself and the fact that moderation will inevitably tone it down. And I don't think bans make sense for rule 8, but do you think people who post random twitter screenshots to the dunk tank are gonna keep going after their 36th consecutive post gets removed?
Yes, I think they'll just keep posting them to different comms
And then they'll just catch a ban for it.
You seriously want to ban people for posting dunks you don't like? This whole campaign against "low hanging fruit" is silly.
I don't want to have to ban anyone for anything, no mod here does. If someone is just going to keep spamming the whole site with content that keeps getting removed, then yeah. They'll likely catch a ban for spam.
